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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:51 pm 
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robertbb wrote:
I can't see why we'd be interested in Scrimshaw.... another rebounding defender?


Agree, the only one I'd have any interest in would be Hall, of the names mentioned earlier. Wonder why we aren't chasing Lloyd or Short? Maybe their respective agents are just trying to bump their price up.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:51 pm 
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David King ….a voice of reason and REAL concern for the AFL. He is a lone voice out there screaming in the wilderness.

Listen to Nathan Buckley basically demand that Tom Lynch ends up at Collingwood. This is how "free agency" works. Only 3 clubs have a run at him, and guess what? they're all strong clubs. So the point of free agency is for the best players to get to the strongest clubs?
I thought the AFL wanted unpredictability in their games? Ain't gonna happen if the Tom Mitchells, Lance Franklins, Tom Lynch and all other A grade talent somehow end up at strong clubs.

Carlton is left to fight over the scraps of b grade players or c grade players. Will we get Hunt or Buntine etc?




This is what King had to say (what a voice for reason) re Lynch and "free" agency


"If they (the Suns) choose to match the offer and make a stand as a club and say no we want you (Lynch) and he decides to then still leave the priority pick dissolves. They either trade him, allow him to be a free agent or he goes into the draft. Now he’s not getting to the draft. There is no way the Suns can allow that to happen…so I am questioning what the restricted part of it is. Why have the restricted as the clubs can’t fight back. The Gold Coast can’t take the gamble of not getting pick 3 (if he goes into the draft)…so I think the AFL need to look at this. When does the priority pick dissolve?

If he leaves regardless of whether it’s been matched or not they should still get the priority pick because he’s leaving through free agency. Let’s cut to the chase he’s not leaving via trade.

So (that would mean) everyone last on the ladder can pick him up in the first round?

This year it’s Carlton. I think that is the perfect result for the AFL. You get a high quality player go to the poorest team in the competition. That’s what we want isn’t it? Its supposed to be cyclical. The draft is supposed to reward the team that finishes last. It’s Carlton this year. If he was to go to the draft, he goes to Carlton, priority pick goes to Gold Coast. I can’t understand why the priority pick dissolves."


The AFL should change the rules of free agency now. Today, by 3pm today. That way Gold Coast can put their player in the draft and they can still get the compensation pick.

I was listening to him last night when he was saying this. Must say he was annoying me when he kept on saying they would get pick 3 as a PP. Despite this error he made a good point although Dangerfield was a restricted free agent and that worked in Adelaide's favour. I guess a bottom side would be silly to match any offers but not so if you are a top side.
I think the AFL will look at free agency over the off season, especially with GWS players becoming free agents next year.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:52 pm 
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robertbb wrote:
I can't see why we'd be interested in Scrimshaw.... another rebounding defender?


LoB or Willo will move to a wing, or Scirmshaw. Simmo is retiring after next year I’d say, so need another of his type.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:39 pm 
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robertbb wrote:
I can't see why we'd be interested in Scrimshaw.... another rebounding defender?


Ivory confused too.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:48 am 
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If I was a betting man I'd say SOS will trade 1 for multiple picks and maybe a player. I just think safety in numbers and he will probably back his team at the draft assuming he gets good picks back. Adelaide's 7 & 13 are pretty good picks really. And if we get a PP at 19 SOS could go crazy trying to package that and 24/28 for an earlier pick. SOS has shown he likes to get as many early picks as possible so there's no reason to assume he won't continue to do this. While we need experience I think that could be hard to get, certainly top line experience looks out of our reach. So he might need to continue down the late of quality youth. Imagine if he can trade 24/28 for something like 15. We could then have 4 picks in the top 20, assuming GC get 3 for Lynch. So we could go to the draft with :

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Take three mids and then a tall defender at 20. I saw some very good tall defenders in the championships games.

Adding three mids at 8,14,15 is massive in my view.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:50 am 
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To be honest though it's impossible to predict what will happen. There's countless scenarios.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:29 am 
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If I was a betting man I'd say SOS will trade 1 for multiple picks and maybe a player. I just think safety in numbers and he will probably back his team at the draft assuming he gets good picks back. Adelaide's 7 & 13 are pretty good picks really. And if we get a PP at 19 SOS could go crazy trying to package that and 24/28 for an earlier pick. SOS has shown he likes to get as many early picks as possible so there's no reason to assume he won't continue to do this. While we need experience I think that could be hard to get, certainly top line experience looks out of our reach. So he might need to continue down the late of quality youth. Imagine if he can trade 24/28 for something like 15. We could then have 4 picks in the top 20, assuming GC get 3 for Lynch. So we could go to the draft with :

8
14
15
20

Take three mids and then a tall defender at 20. I saw some very good tall defenders in the championships games.

Adding three mids at 8,14,15 is massive in my view.


I believe pick 1 is worth more than 7 and 13 (which may well become 9 and 15). I'm happy for the club to trade pick 1 but I'd want better than that in return.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:38 am 
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The thing is, we've all seen the signs that Dow will be an absolute star.

Was he available at pick 8, 14, 15, 20... or 3?

I say we keep 1, draft Walsh and add him to Cripps, Kennedy (when fit), Dow, SPS and Fisher.

I know we got Curnow at 12... and Cripps at 13... but the chances of repeating this wouldn't be high. Unless SOS and his crew know something we (and the other teams don't)

I'd far prefer to see him package up the picks we have in the teens and early 20's and get back towards the top 10 to speculate on gems in that range. We don't want that kind of speculation to be our MO, and we certainly wouldn't want to give up on a player like Walsh to have pot shots at stars higher up.

Just my 2c.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:37 am 
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robertbb wrote:
The thing is, we've all seen the signs that Dow will be an absolute star.

Was he available at pick 8, 14, 15, 20... or 3?

I say we keep 1, draft Walsh and add him to Cripps, Kennedy (when fit), Dow, SPS and Fisher.

I know we got Curnow at 12... and Cripps at 13... but the chances of repeating this wouldn't be high. Unless SOS and his crew know something we (and the other teams don't)

I'd far prefer to see him package up the picks we have in the teens and early 20's and get back towards the top 10 to speculate on gems in that range. We don't want that kind of speculation to be our MO, and we certainly wouldn't want to give up on a player like Walsh to have pot shots at stars higher up.

Just my 2c.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:19 pm 
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kezza wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
David King ….a voice of reason and REAL concern for the AFL. He is a lone voice out there screaming in the wilderness.

Listen to Nathan Buckley basically demand that Tom Lynch ends up at Collingwood. This is how "free agency" works. Only 3 clubs have a run at him, and guess what? they're all strong clubs. So the point of free agency is for the best players to get to the strongest clubs?
I thought the AFL wanted unpredictability in their games? Ain't gonna happen if the Tom Mitchells, Lance Franklins, Tom Lynch and all other A grade talent somehow end up at strong clubs.

Carlton is left to fight over the scraps of b grade players or c grade players. Will we get Hunt or Buntine etc?




This is what King had to say (what a voice for reason) re Lynch and "free" agency


"If they (the Suns) choose to match the offer and make a stand as a club and say no we want you (Lynch) and he decides to then still leave the priority pick dissolves. They either trade him, allow him to be a free agent or he goes into the draft. Now he’s not getting to the draft. There is no way the Suns can allow that to happen…so I am questioning what the restricted part of it is. Why have the restricted as the clubs can’t fight back. The Gold Coast can’t take the gamble of not getting pick 3 (if he goes into the draft)…so I think the AFL need to look at this. When does the priority pick dissolve?

If he leaves regardless of whether it’s been matched or not they should still get the priority pick because he’s leaving through free agency. Let’s cut to the chase he’s not leaving via trade.

So (that would mean) everyone last on the ladder can pick him up in the first round?

This year it’s Carlton. I think that is the perfect result for the AFL. You get a high quality player go to the poorest team in the competition. That’s what we want isn’t it? Its supposed to be cyclical. The draft is supposed to reward the team that finishes last. It’s Carlton this year. If he was to go to the draft, he goes to Carlton, priority pick goes to Gold Coast. I can’t understand why the priority pick dissolves."


The AFL should change the rules of free agency now. Today, by 3pm today. That way Gold Coast can put their player in the draft and they can still get the compensation pick.

I was listening to him last night when he was saying this. Must say he was annoying me when he kept on saying they would get pick 3 as a PP. Despite this error he made a good point although Dangerfield was a restricted free agent and that worked in Adelaide's favour. I guess a bottom side would be silly to match any offers but not so if you are a top side.
I think the AFL will look at free agency over the off season, especially with GWS players becoming free agents next year.


I reckon if a player like Lynch ends up at the premiers for substantially less money than GC offered him then that will be end of FA in it's current form.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:43 pm 
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Yes fair call, obviously more scope for error with 8 and 15


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:52 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Yes fair call, obviously more scope for error with 8 and 15


Agree unless Silvagni snares a quality mature body midfielder and has a plan to turn pick 8 into Max King miraculously, hoping he comes good, could be huge win for CFC.
Pick 15 another quality young mid.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:03 pm 
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Had lunch with the ex player today.
Now remember i am just the meat in the sandwich.
Pick 1 will be pasted onto GWS for Shiel with there second coming back our way.

Hall and Scrimshaw will be at carlton next year.

Call me a flog or whatever i am just passing on information what i have been told by a ex player that played more 250 games....

Just being honest no lies


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:10 pm 
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blueboy23 wrote:
Had lunch with the ex player today.
Now remember i am just the meat in the sandwich.
Pick 1 will be pasted onto GWS for Shiel with there second coming back our way.

Hall and Scrimshaw will be at carlton next year.

Call me a flog or whatever i am just passing on information what i have been told by a ex player that played more 250 games....

Just being honest no lies


Cheers for the info, don't think anyone is going to call you a flog for sharing it.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:20 pm 
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smithy wrote:
blueboy23 wrote:
Had lunch with the ex player today.
Now remember i am just the meat in the sandwich.
Pick 1 will be pasted onto GWS for Shiel with there second coming back our way.

Hall and Scrimshaw will be at carlton next year.

Call me a flog or whatever i am just passing on information what i have been told by a ex player that played more 250 games....

Just being honest no lies


Cheers for the info, don't think anyone is going to call you a flog for sharing it.
Except Dannyboy

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:20 pm 
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blueboy23 wrote:
Had lunch with the ex player today.
Now remember i am just the meat in the sandwich.
Pick 1 will be pasted onto GWS for Shiel with there second coming back our way.

Hall and Scrimshaw will be at carlton next year.

Call me a flog or whatever i am just passing on information what i have been told by a ex player that played more 250 games....

Just being honest no lies


If true, that’s laughable...

Compare it to what Essendon* paid for Devon Smith or Hawthorn paid for Tom Mitchell

GWS have a major salary cap squeeze, someone needs to be moved (as Sydney did with Mitchell)

We’d be paying massive overs with that deal


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:22 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
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:lol:

Good stuff Blueboy23. Time will tell.
I dont mind Shiel but a swap of first rounders is more equitable IMO

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:43 pm 
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blueboy23 wrote:
Had lunch with the ex player today.
Now remember i am just the meat in the sandwich.
Pick 1 will be pasted onto GWS for Shiel with there second coming back our way.

Hall and Scrimshaw will be at carlton next year.

Call me a flog or whatever i am just passing on information what i have been told by a ex player that played more 250 games....

Just being honest no lies


Well if that is true, then we have well and truly been screwed at the trade table again.

Our #1 to GC for their pick #3 and West Coast 1st rounder.

Or #1 to Freo for Cerra and their 1st pick is even better.

I'd rather they try and get Cerra and Rankine/Walsh somehow, over Shiel or any other mature age player.

NO MORE QUICK FIXES!


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:47 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
blueboy23 wrote:
Had lunch with the ex player today.
Now remember i am just the meat in the sandwich.
Pick 1 will be pasted onto GWS for Shiel with there second coming back our way.

Hall and Scrimshaw will be at carlton next year.

Call me a flog or whatever i am just passing on information what i have been told by a ex player that played more 250 games....

Just being honest no lies


Well if that is true, then we have well and truly been screwed at the trade table again.

Our #1 to GC for their pick #3 and West Coast 1st rounder.

Or #1 to Freo for Cerra and their 1st pick is even better.

I'd rather they try and get Cerra and Rankine/Walsh somehow, over Shiel or any other mature age player.

NO MORE QUICK FIXES!




Agree with you, sounds like Silvagni & club are buckling to the ferals and media pressure
ridiculously high price to pay.

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