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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:14 pm 
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One thing is for sure Malthouse will be yet another sacked coach at Carlton

I dont think Barass and Big Nick were sacked but Stewart Thurgood Jezza Perc Parkin Walls Jezza mk 2 Parkin mk2 Britain Pagan and now Ratts have all had the tap on the shoulder

Wont be long and we will add Malthouse because unless he brings the best assistance with him he wont deliver the flag

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:15 pm 
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If the Pies are butthurt about the Blues getting their old coach, they can just even it up by taking our (soon to be) old coach.

After all, beating Collingwood is one of Ratten's greatest strengths.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:16 pm 
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just saying baz baz.....even his mate thought its best they lose $550k and move him on cos they didnt have faith he can coach.

imagine that???

parkin and walls on the wrong side of history.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:19 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
Well now we've gone and done it haven't we?

Sacked the coach before the end of the year, now Mick won't come to us, he said so in that there newspapery thing during the year, didn't he?

We'll end up with Norm Dare or someone....hope you're all bloody well happy with yourselves..


Hey Mate

Please don't be under the illusion that any of the roonists on here have any influence over anything. They think that what they say matters when in reality it means nothing to anybody execpt them. The experienced people in football I listen to. The main protagonists on here I suspect have never even played the game. I know one is a dancer. He told me so. He told me he has never been involved in any football club as either a volunteer or paid person. So in my book there is no victory to them. They are meaningless to people like Ratten and people who actually put themselves on the line. Anyway mate. It will be what it is and we just have to make the most of it.


So you now need to have played the game to have a valid opinion?

Awesome! You've just dismissed the entire history of academic learning in one paragraph! Genius!

Why shouldn't a dancer have a valid opinion about the situation?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:21 pm 
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just saying baz baz.....even his mate thought its best they lose $550k and move him on cos they didnt have faith he can coach.

imagine that???

parkin and walls on the wrong side of history.


I havent seen the reuslt yet. Ill just wait and have all the information and leave the assumptions to others

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:22 pm 
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To judge whether Malthouse is the right person for the job requires an assessment of our list.

Personally, I think we have a decent list, and as Casboult, Bell and McInnes have demonstrated, a reasonable amount of depth.

If we think that our current player roster has the potential to win a premiership, then I think we need an experienced, successful coach.

Additionally, I don't think someone such as Malthouse would contemplate taking on a side that doesn't have premiership potential.

The reason I like Mick is because he has taken clubs with limited talent and formed them into a unit, with a dedication to each other, and in the case of West Coast, took a talented list and made them a great team.

Ratten was a cheerleader who could inspire them to an occasional good win, but did anyone serusiously see him as a premiership coach?

Yes, I am mindful of the Pagan experience, but Malthouse's track record suggests he is exactly the type of coach we need now.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:26 pm 
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Well said Jack. I see a list with a massive upside. How many have improved this year. Imagine most of them improving 10%?

As for people comparing Pagan & MM they are worlds apart. Pagan was a motivator with a smile game plan. MM is a strategist and importantly a man manager.

His skill will be to bring everyone together and get the best out of each individual. Exactly what we need.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:31 pm 
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I respect Ratts for everything he has done for the club and I will never bag him out. The only observation I have made this year is that the playing group lack the 'steel rod' that will take them to a flag. Over the last two years I have said that the only person i thought could replace Brett is Malthouse. I look forward to him taking us to a higher level and to a flag.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:34 pm 
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BlueMark wrote:
I respect Ratts for everything he has done for the club and I will never bag him out. The only observation I have made this year is that the playing group lack the 'steel rod' that will take them to a flag. Over the last two years I have said that the only person i thought could replace Brett is Malthouse. I look forward to him taking us to a higher level and to a flag.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:38 pm 
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BlueMark wrote:
I respect Ratts for everything he has done for the club and I will never bag him out. The only observation I have made this year is that the playing group lack the 'steel rod' that will take them to a flag. Over the last two years I have said that the only person i thought could replace Brett is Malthouse. I look forward to him taking us to a higher level and to a flag.

Good to see you in the trenches with us BM.... :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:43 pm 
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So if the board believe Mick is a better coach than Ratts then why did they give him a new 2 year deal at the end of last year.
Is this an admission that they got it wrong?
And if at the end of last year a top 4 finish was expected this year, then Mick should be judged similarly. If he doesn't get us into the top 4 next year and a GF the year after, they should sack Mick or all resign.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:45 pm 
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BlueMark wrote:
I respect Ratts for everything he has done for the club and I will never bag him out. The only observation I have made this year is that the playing group lack the 'steel rod' that will take them to a flag. Over the last two years I have said that the only person i thought could replace Brett is Malthouse. I look forward to him taking us to a higher level and to a flag.


this is probably where i sit on the fence. i wanted and hoped Brett would be the man, but after Gold Coast (and the port game) even with our injuries ... and im not 100% convinced its all Ratts fault either ... it was always going to be a task for him to be coaching us next year!

I have one hope in this, is that all and sundry at the club, take a look at themselves, players, officials, property stewards etc.. and realise that we must be ruthless in pursing the dream. If a player isnt up to the task, gone, if a coach isnt up to the task, gone, we must strive for success at all costs!! no exceptions!! My honest opinion is we have the talent to win a premiership, but i dont think we have the want or ability to be ruthless to demand a premiership ... Robbo/Bell are the only players that show any form of aggression on the field, and that simply is not good enough!! every person has to be ruthless, aggresive, and never give an inch to achieve the ultimate goal!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:47 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
So if the board believe Mick is a better coach than Ratts then why did they give him a new 2 year deal at the end of last year.
Is this an admission that they got it wrong?
And if at the end of last year a top 4 finish was expected this year, then Mick should be judged similarly. If he doesn't get us into the top 4 next year and a GF the year after, they should sack Mick or all resign.


In the words of our illustrious President it was because "he was there". :roll:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:47 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
So if the board believe Mick is a better coach than Ratts then why did they give him a new 2 year deal at the end of last year.
Is this an admission that they got it wrong?
And if at the end of last year a top 4 finish was expected this year, then Mick should be judged similarly. If he doesn't get us into the top 4 next year and a GF the year after, they should sack Mick or all resign.

Theyre hoping like hell MM has some answers.. cos they sure as hell dont....

plus MM will not be on a $550k contract.... double that....

Will be interesting to know how long that contract will be.

MM will be in the box seat come negotiations.... he will get everything he wants..... he is no dummy.. we will be milked... but we have to hope he has some answers....i sure we will improve...

for starters the players will be rapt... except scotto....

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:47 pm 
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If you were Ratten and got a free $500k or so to do nothing for a year... that sounds bloody good to me.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:56 pm 
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If you were Ratten and got a free $500k or so to do nothing for a year... that sounds bloody good to me.

or close to 3 million for almost 6 years... and do not a hell of alot.. thats even better

look.... hes gone.. im happy... cos i never thought he had it in him.

do i feel sorry for him?
personally maybe
professionally no.

its about the club.

and the landscape is littered by guys who were not good enough

ratts had it better than most...

im looking for more than we have seen in the last decade.....

i want a genuine edge...

im sick and tired of nice guys and also rans...

3 in a row isnt good enough

a single elim final win isnt good enough

guys jogging around when we dont have the ball isnt good enough

davies in the side isnt good enough........

a game centred around juddy isnt good enough

kicking the ball high on top of eddies head isnt good enough

pressers full of statistics is not good enough... i prefer cliches...

and finally a club without a front man that can deal with the media isnt good enough...

Lets see whats what next year.....

Players will have to swim .. or they will sink......

and everyone has a role... not some guys... and some guys do as they like

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:07 pm 
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BlueMark wrote:
I respect Ratts for everything he has done for the club and I will never bag him out. The only observation I have made this year is that the playing group lack the 'steel rod' that will take them to a flag. Over the last two years I have said that the only person i thought could replace Brett is Malthouse. I look forward to him taking us to a higher level and to a flag.


Vigorous co-sign. Very well said BlueMark.

And also to you Jack Worall.

Feel for Ratts a very great deal but ultimately I think the right call has been made.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:10 pm 
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baz_baz wrote:
Synbad wrote:
just saying baz baz.....even his mate thought its best they lose $550k and move him on cos they didnt have faith he can coach.

imagine that???

parkin and walls on the wrong side of history.


I havent seen the reuslt yet. Ill just wait and have all the information and leave the assumptions to others


yeah its only 550k, Plus the extra 450k per year for MM's salary. So come October, we will be 1mil extra in debt. But thats nothing for the club well in surplus. Just hard earned Members dollars going out the door for nothing. I don't know about you, but i'm sick of getting those calls to go in a raffle and clear a debt. You fork out money then they just piss it down the drain.

Is Malthouse 450-500 k better than Ratten? I don't think so. We missed out on a prelim by 3points last year with injuries to key players. But, seeing Malthouse is a 450k better coach then Ratten, I expect a premiership next year or the year after or he can flower off.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:13 pm 
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Synbad wrote:

and everyone has a role... not some guys... and some guys do as they like


Well one thing is for sure... Every malthouse team is built on roles, if any of our blokes deviate from theirs they won't be in the side for long.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:17 pm 
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sitting here waiting for another twist in this story

We sacked Pagan hoping to get Vossy and settled for Ratts

We might sack Ratts hoping for malthouse and could end up with Wallace or Eade orChoco

Dont think this saga has played itself out just yet

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