I'm with Chicken...

One thing I don't like is when people say "he's our only good player" "We don't have anyone else" That's BS. We've got plenty. Lots of teams have won flags recently without Fev. We can do it too.

I get sucked in by his outstanding games, but I'd be happy to give that up and watch him play for someone lese if it meant we had stability in the side. ATM we don't know what we're going to get when we front up each week.

I wanna know that every player will come to the game with a focus on doing the basics that go to winning games.
Judd
Murphy
Gibbs
Setanta
Bentick
Simpson
Jamison

All these blokes and more come along and do what they're paid to do without a whimper. Fev complains about the umpires, the opposition, his team mates. It's never his fault.

Just get the @#$%&! over yourself Fev and play for the CFC!

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The issue is the developing bit - forwards wont develop if they dont get the ball kicked to them. Was anyone really that surprised in kennedy's development after we traded him to WC? Seriously. Also look at richmond and the development of their KP forwards post moving richo to the wing/up the ground

The 95% I50 entries is what kills the development of our forwards - unless we can change this significantly then any KP forward that we bring in from the draft will have his development impaired.

The other solution would to recruit and established KP forward (the obvious one being brown) - these players wont come cheap (even the less dominant ones - just look at nathan thompson, ottens, etc). Not worth the cost in terms of players/picks imo.

The hawks did it well by recruiting both franklin and roughhead together and allowing them to develop together - they also lose some established forwards (rawlings) which would have aided franklin/roughhead. Mids would be prepared to look for both roughhead and franklin as neither were a dominant force at the time. Roughheads development would have been impeded had franklin been an established goal kicking force at the time of his arrival as an 18yo at the club.

Maclure is in the media... to entertain and catch listeners though...

He should also talk about Jon Browns refusal to sign ........

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I don't know what I could post that hasn't been covered in the 60 pages before me, but I would like to add to the fact that I have stuck up for Fevola on numerous occasions, but those days are finished. Great player, and even greater flower... with such a young group, his influence is magnified, thus his bad influence really is a bad influence!

Trade him for 2 first rounders... I don't care if it takes a year to find his replacement, we aren't going forward with him bein the centre of the universe. If he stayed and changed his ways just a little bit and the team was better for it, I would love nothing more, but the fact is he is 27 and is simply not going to happen.

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why can't fev just help the club and wait an extra couple of years for him to get the majority of his pay in the 3rd year of his contract so that only half of it counts towards the salary cap, does he not want there to be room for us to get another big name to the club?

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If Fev is such a dsitraction and detracts from a team so much...why would anyone give us 2 first rounders for him?

If its obvious to our supporters, its as sure as hell going to be obvious to the other clubs.

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This way only $300,000 will be included in the salary cap in 2011 allowing our young stars to secure bigger contracts once they are in their ealy to mid 20s. If he back-ended payments say $500,000 in 2009 $500,000 in 2010 and $1,000,000 in 2011 that would mean $500,000 would be included in the cap in 2011, $200,000 more.

Maybe we should run a poll on this wonderful thread.

Who looooves Fev more:

1 _ Synbad.

2 _ Fevolution.

Too close to call, for mine.

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so why can't he just take 666 grand every year? that would mean that there is only 33 grand more counted in our salary cap for his final year than if the figures i quoted before were implemented. why does he ask for a front-ended contract and make it harder for us to get a big name at the club? i'm actually not too interested in getting that big name as i think we'd have to give up too much but why is fev making that possibility harder?

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Difference when Hawks recruited those guys they were done, down, on the way out and had to re-build. On the other hand we have re-built, developing and now moving up the ladder with the possibility of finals and even finishing as high as 6th (admittedly very unlikely-I think 9th to 10th- but it's where life does stand right now). To now get rid of an experienced big body, whose kicked big goals for a couple of skinny kids would have to set us back. We'd lack the big bodies, experience etc... when playing sides like Geelong, Hawthorn, Brisbane, St. Kilda etc... and you want to get rid of another one, who, together with Judd, is our best????? Especially in a side with no KP forwards, you'd be kidding. Be ok if we had Sticks and Spalding or even Lance there at his best, then Fev would be kicking goals elsewhere, but we don't, we have nothing. So, funnily enough, the club needs Fev more than Fev needs the club. To get frustrated and want to trade Fev is typical supporter short-sightedness in the extreme.

You clean our, trade and re-build on the way down, certainly not on the way up. You use your draft picks to build around Fev, not trade him and start again. I can just see 2 kids having the pressure holding up our forward line over the nest 2 years as they try to develop, especially as we attempt to go up the ladder. Almost sounds ridiculous. Certainly be a setback. Then there's no guarantees either that they will turn out. Hawthorn may have drafted successfully that year but didn't Richmond have as many early picks the same year and stuffed most of them up. If you look at one side, in this case the good, the you look at the other side too, the bad too. Not always many Franklins or Roughheads in the draft.

As for the Fev-centric stuff, well when he is your only forward it's not rocket science for the defence to surround Fev and make it tough for him to get a kick. You know most deliveries are going there. He's a marvel to kick as many as he does. Why not play a CHF such as Waite there. Not only would he take a man, it would be more unpredictable for the defence making life easier for both Fev and Fisher.

As in getting a big name this year? I'm pretty sure we have plenty of room at the moment and the $134,000 you are suggesting won't even put a dent in things.

Front-loading the contract is perfect because it gives us more room in the cap when Fevola moves onto the vet's list, and that is when we will need it most. Guys like Gibbs, Murphy, Kreuzer, Russell and Walker will be coming into bigger money and taking up a larger share of the cap.

We can afford things more easily now when we are well under the cap. Hence we can front load Fev and Judd's contract. when the young guns really develop and require more dough there's alot more room in the cap, whether you halve Fev's or not. We then don't run into the problems of other sides when we really (hopefully) come good. Besides, by 2011 the cap will be bigger again.

Simple. Want the contract, sign it Fev.

If not, renegotiate and if still unhappy, go.

I love the bloke and his abilities, but the club must always be larger than the individual.

I do wish there was a bit more methodology into our forward line and I think Ratts has to take some blame here. Why are we not developing other options? Why are we not game planning to use Fev as a decoy? Why aren't we running Fev on the wing for a period to shake or challenge his defender? (Hudghton has only one hole to hide in).

If we develop other forward options, we actually make life easier for Fev.

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Ratten has put Hartlett through a 6 week development plan in the Bullants according to sources on TC.

That source is Ratts on SEN Saturday, the media seemed to have neglected that bit for some reason

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Exactly.

We "made our bed" in regards to Fev the day JK went to West Coast and Lance was flicked, both correct decisions for different and obvious reasons. Mean't we got rid of our only KP forward alternatives "committing" ourselves to go forward with Fev.

I hate it when the players are smiling and hugging after a loss. If we (supporters) are bleeding then the players should be too. Sure, shake hands say something nice, that's fine. But did you ever see Hird or Archer or Buckley or Carey smile after a loss? Or for that matter Nicholls or Johnston or Sticks or SOS or Doull or Jezza or Diesel - i don't think so.

Fev was just as bad after the game against Brisbane. He went over to his new mate Jonathan Brown and was all smiley and chatty. The funny part was, Fev was more smiley than Brown and they'd won the game. Look at the footage on TV and you'll see that Brown is trying to get away from Fev and Fev just wanted to keep talking and patting him. Didn't look good at all.

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Number 17 - come on down!

I don't doubt you but there is no way in hell that Fev getting 2.1 million over three years

on that triple M interview Fev himself said he wished 2.1 mil was on the table

he aint getting 2.1 million

600 - 650 was the early call

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

I hated seeing him hugging Milne who kicked the 5 goals we lost by!............... ...

..as Wallsy and Buckley said....."you don't hug the enemy....especially after they just whupped your ass"