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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:51 pm 
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Is this a sign the club is happy with our forward line structure?

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-0 ... ye-forward


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:38 pm 
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I issue work orderes to a well known ex player that is good friends with SOS.
Try not to ask offen but three player's SOS is after.
Hunt, CEY and Scrimshaw.
Dahlhaus name was aslo mentioned but he believes he will get the 4 years he is after.
A few other names have been mentioned like,
Hall, Polec and Buntine.
Did ask about Shiel, very sheepish... cant say to much he said.

Time will tell


Pretty uninspiring list.

...Not that i can think of who Hunt is :razz:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:57 pm 
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Jayden Hunt from Melbourne I'm guessing. You wouldn't want to give up too much for any of them really.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:59 pm 
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The_Cranium wrote:
Jayden Hunt from Melbourne I'm guessing. You wouldn't want to give up too much for any of them really.


Damn, I was hoping it was Karmichael. :eek:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:14 pm 
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The_Cranium wrote:
Jayden Hunt from Melbourne I'm guessing. You wouldn't want to give up too much for any of them really.


oh, him.

yeah nah

all would want to come very cheaply.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:29 pm 
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Sorry to be honest...
It' called moneyball.
Ok i will lie,
Gaff, Mitch McGovern, Lynch and Lycett are all signed sealed and delivered.
SOS is after quality players like the lads i mentioned.
Dont tell me we wouldn't take Hunt, Hall, Scrimshaw and CEY..


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:41 pm 
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I’m surrounded by Crow nuffies on a daily basis, but even they acknowledge CEY is a very ordinary footballer.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:04 pm 
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blueboy23 wrote:
Dont tell me we wouldn't take Hunt, Hall, Scrimshaw and CEY..

Hunt is a turnover merchant - no thanks.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:27 pm 
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blueboy23 wrote:
Sorry to be honest...
It' called moneyball.
Ok i will lie,
Gaff, Mitch McGovern, Lynch and Lycett are all signed sealed and delivered.
SOS is after quality players like the lads i mentioned.
Dont tell me we wouldn't take Hunt, Hall, Scrimshaw and CEY..


not your fault man...appreciate the news :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:03 am 
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David King ….a voice of reason and REAL concern for the AFL. He is a lone voice out there screaming in the wilderness.

Listen to Nathan Buckley basically demand that Tom Lynch ends up at Collingwood. This is how "free agency" works. Only 3 clubs have a run at him, and guess what? they're all strong clubs. So the point of free agency is for the best players to get to the strongest clubs?
I thought the AFL wanted unpredictability in their games? Ain't gonna happen if the Tom Mitchells, Lance Franklins, Tom Lynch and all other A grade talent somehow end up at strong clubs.

Carlton is left to fight over the scraps of b grade players or c grade players. Will we get Hunt or Buntine etc?




This is what King had to say (what a voice for reason) re Lynch and "free" agency


"If they (the Suns) choose to match the offer and make a stand as a club and say no we want you (Lynch) and he decides to then still leave the priority pick dissolves. They either trade him, allow him to be a free agent or he goes into the draft. Now he’s not getting to the draft. There is no way the Suns can allow that to happen…so I am questioning what the restricted part of it is. Why have the restricted as the clubs can’t fight back. The Gold Coast can’t take the gamble of not getting pick 3 (if he goes into the draft)…so I think the AFL need to look at this. When does the priority pick dissolve?

If he leaves regardless of whether it’s been matched or not they should still get the priority pick because he’s leaving through free agency. Let’s cut to the chase he’s not leaving via trade.

So (that would mean) everyone last on the ladder can pick him up in the first round?

This year it’s Carlton. I think that is the perfect result for the AFL. You get a high quality player go to the poorest team in the competition. That’s what we want isn’t it? Its supposed to be cyclical. The draft is supposed to reward the team that finishes last. It’s Carlton this year. If he was to go to the draft, he goes to Carlton, priority pick goes to Gold Coast. I can’t understand why the priority pick dissolves."


The AFL should change the rules of free agency now. Today, by 3pm today. That way Gold Coast can put their player in the draft and they can still get the compensation pick.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:38 am 
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We can argue he's only worth 300k per year. His goals per game average will reduce significantly if he's not playing against us!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:52 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
We can argue he's only worth 300k per year. His goals per game average will reduce significantly if he's not playing against us!


That’s a good argument!! I am sure they will buy it...

However, either way,
The draft is a farce, free agency is a farce. The AFL would benefit with reform as that way the matches would be more unpredictable= bigger crowds, more membership, more revenue.

Whilst they are focusing on changing rules to take away freedom of movement on the football field ( this is the one element that makes Aust football unique..it’s a 360 degree game) yet a couple of blokes at AFL House want you to permanently stand in zones, like it is netball....whilst they focus on that 4-5 clubs are basically uncompetitive. Now what is more important?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:57 am 
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blueboy23 wrote:
Sorry to be honest...
It's called moneyball.


It's not...because for a variety of reasons which include sabermetric analysis and lack of salary cap, the concept of moneyball doesn't translate into other sports. If we ignore the analytical and economic stuff, then yes - I get where you're coming from if you think SOS is chasing players undervalued by other teams and selling ones that are overvalued by other teams...but that's just basic trading. And therein lies the biggest question...who on the Carlton list is overvalued by other clubs?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:11 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
Is this a sign the club is happy with our forward line structure?

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-0 ... ye-forward


Add one of Cunners, Samo or Lebois to that five and it's just about perfect.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:23 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
blueboy23 wrote:
Sorry to be honest...
It's called moneyball.


It's not...because for a variety of reasons which include sabermetric analysis and lack of salary cap, the concept of moneyball doesn't translate into other sports. If we ignore the analytical and economic stuff, then yes - I get where you're coming from if you think SOS is chasing players undervalued by other teams and selling ones that are overvalued by other teams...but that's just basic trading. And therein lies the biggest question...who on the Carlton list is overvalued by other clubs?


It's a good question Doc. It's a shame Casboult hurt himself, (for many reasons), and probably won't have a strong finish to the season. I reckon there's a lot of "momentum" in recruiting and if he could've finished the season with two or three strong performances we might have been in a good position for a trade.

Nothing against the guy BTW, but given his age he's probably superfluous to requirements.

I reckon we would've got unders for Murphy - v. glad he re-signed.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:15 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
blueboy23 wrote:
Sorry to be honest...
It's called moneyball.


It's not...because for a variety of reasons which include sabermetric analysis and lack of salary cap, the concept of moneyball doesn't translate into other sports. If we ignore the analytical and economic stuff, then yes - I get where you're coming from if you think SOS is chasing players undervalued by other teams and selling ones that are overvalued by other teams...but that's just basic trading. And therein lies the biggest question...who on the Carlton list is overvalued by other clubs?


I think we have sold everything on the list seen as valued but not in the long term plans of the Club. What’s left? What would you get for Casboult, Jones or a youngster like Cunningham. Not enough considering the picks we will likely have. 3 or 4 top 30 picks if we get PP. The players above would get you picks in the late 30s or 40 plus. Even if you on trade that for a player or package it with another pick in the 20’s to move into the teens it doesn’t improve our draft position or talent on the list enough.

I don’t think players will be leaving the club via trade. Just delisting.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:04 pm 
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blueboy23 wrote:
I issue work orderes to a well known ex player that is good friends with SOS.
Try not to ask offen but three player's SOS is after.
Hunt, CEY and Scrimshaw.
Dahlhaus name was aslo mentioned but he believes he will get the 4 years he is after.
A few other names have been mentioned like,
Hall, Polec and Buntine.
Did ask about Shiel, very sheepish... cant say to much he said.

Time will tell


Now you're talking.

Thanks bb23

Like I stated earlier, no surprise in the names, because SOS has contacted the player agent of every player mentioned n the rumour mill.

Thanks for the info :thumbsup:
Good idea to stay sheepish.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:22 pm 
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i was interested in HUNT about 2months ago ,i was hoping he would not get a senior gig exactly wat we need on the hbf


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:00 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
..who on the Carlton list is overvalued by other clubs?


Possibly one of our young guns, like Weitering or McKay. Not that I think we’ll trade either of them, unless it’s part of a mega deal for a gun midfielder.

I don’t think Casboult has any trade value. He has a year to go on his contract - I would keep him on as back up/cannon fodder in 2019 rather than delist.

We might get a nibble for Jones or Cunningham, but I can’t see them being overvalued by another club. So I reckon they will end up staying too.

I’m pretty sure that the currency we trade in (if we trade) this year will be draft picks.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:04 pm 
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I can't see why we'd be interested in Scrimshaw.... another rebounding defender?

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