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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:32 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
We have some very good top liners (Juddy, Fev, Gibbs, Murph, Kreuz and Simmo and Bower slightly below), but we don't have the depth. Thing is to build a premiership side, its easier to do it when you lack bottom end talent, as opposed to top end talent (read North Melbourne and how they never did it with their group this decade). It was the fact we have these top liners which allows us to get by against crap opposition even when we aren't playing that great (the last 3 weeks).

The side will continue to get better, I think we are tracking along fine, and Ratts is still learning, as are the players. Will he win us a premiership? I don't know, no one knows, their not that easy to win. Will we be in the mix in the coming years? Most likely.


Yet we keep signing up every man and his dog to new contracts. There is only so much you can do each year in regards to depth. Are we going to go down the path of "I hope we get lucky and there is a vanilla small man still available with pick forty" route? It's not getting easier.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:43 pm 
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2 years in the job now ..should have learnt a LOT by now.


...and has. Should never stop learning.


The apprenticeship's over.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:51 pm 
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By the reckoning budzy, when Ratts beats the likes of Malthouse, Roos, Williams etc - these coaches shouldn't endeavour to learn new ways to beat us because their apprenticeships have long finished?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:55 pm 
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I don't think depth is our major issue.

My issue is the lack of 1 %'ers that our boys fail to do out there and for each other.

The amount of times i could of yelled out block FFS, shepherd, hit em, look towards goal first, run, don't turn your back to the play.

Couldn't believe how many times i witnessed when the ball kicked to a player he would follow through with about 20 more steps, then decides to look sideways before looking up the ground towards the goal.

Lack of talk out there. Can't remember who it was but both players running towards the boundary and i think it was Eddie betts hanging out to the side, all was needed was to push the ball to wards goal and Eddie would have had a shot. Lack of dare and talk cost us here

And Judd. This guy had all the time in the world when he played for the Eagles, in our midfield he knows he has to dispose of the ball almost immediately or he is going to get tackled. At the Eagles he knew there would be a block and would have that one second extra. I also notice that Judd loves that quick ball flick forward where he knew either cuz or kerr would have already run into that space. No ones running into that space


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:56 pm 
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well said. . .west coast would have as many top 10picks as us, and they're not winning games. . .worsfold is a shit coach?

Geelong's only win in the past 3weeks is against melbourne. Thompson a shit coach?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:57 pm 
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Teen Spirit wrote:
well said. . .west coast would have as many top 10picks as us, and they're not winning games. . .worsfold is a shit coach?


Yeah but when he Judd, Kerr, Cox and Cousins he won a premiership.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:00 pm 
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DownUnderChick wrote:
By the reckoning budzy, when Ratts beats the likes of Malthouse, Roos, Williams etc - these coaches shouldn't endeavour to learn new ways to beat us because their apprenticeships have long finished?


If you don't win most games you'll inevitably get sacked.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:27 pm 
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Melvey wrote:
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well said. . .west coast would have as many top 10picks as us, and they're not winning games. . .worsfold is a shit coach?


Yeah but when he Judd, Kerr, Cox and Cousins he won a premiership.


It took him 5 seasons to do so, Ratts is in his 2nd season (we tanked the last 6 games of 07 so it doenst count)


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:35 pm 
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budzy wrote:
club29 wrote:
budzy wrote:
2 years in the job now ..should have learnt a LOT by now.


...and has. Should never stop learning.


The apprenticeship's over.


:eek: :eek: Shakes head in wonder and goes back to watching the 2nd half demolition of the Swans.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:40 pm 
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So, as far as you're concerned, we won despite Ratten, not because of anything he did? :roll:


KK, the best thing Ratts did on Saturday was recognise that he'd made a major stuff up. Luckily he realized before it was too late. Ratten wants to be the next Lyon or Clarkson as the master tactition - there's nothing wrong with being the next Matthews as the coach to guide a team of guns to multiple flags.

Let's justy play to our strengths. We've got THE best player in the comp running around with us. We've got the leading goal kicker and a ruckman who thinks he's a midfielder.

On top of that we've got Murphy and Gibbs and Simmo who are starting to finish their work with Geelong type style. Let's encourage that rather than confuse them by trying to beat a team at a game style that they've perfected.


Yeah, no argument from me at all there, but some people want to have it both ways.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:43 pm 
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Blueboy_Dan wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Teen Spirit wrote:
well said. . .west coast would have as many top 10picks as us, and they're not winning games. . .worsfold is a shit coach?


Yeah but when he Judd, Kerr, Cox and Cousins he won a premiership.


It took him 5 seasons to do so, Ratts is in his 2nd season (we tanked the last 6 games of 07 so it doenst count)


You won't win, Dan, Melvey likes shifting the goalposts.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:44 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
:eek: :eek: Shakes head in wonder and goes back to watching the 2nd half demolition of the Swans.

Regards Cazzesman


Youll learn more if you watch all of the game... :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:47 pm 
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:eek: :eek: Shakes head in wonder and goes back to watching the 2nd half demolition of the Swans.

Regards Cazzesman


Youll learn more if you watch all of the game... :lol:


:razz:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:51 pm 
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
You won't win, Dan, Melvey likes shifting the goalposts.


indeed i do


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:57 pm 
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Hypothetical.

If a club wins a Premiership every 10 years, thats roughly 220-240 games played before the ultimate prize is achieved.

I get the distinct impression that a number of posters on TC will never be happy with the team performance regardless of how they play win or lose, unless the team wins that 1 game (except for Melvey who would be distraught if we won the Premiership).

Imagine being upset, angry and bent out of shape about your club for 239 games out of 240. For the life of me I can't understand why people would put themselves through such misery, never being able to see the bright side of anything. :confused: :confused: :confused:

The ability that some have to write negative things after a 10 goal win over a team that has tormented us for sooooooo long is truly astounding. :roll: :roll:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:59 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Hypothetical.

If a club wins a Premiership every 10 years, thats roughly 220-240 games played before the ultimate prize is achieved.

I get the distinct impression that a number of posters on TC will never be happy with the team performance regardless of how they play win or lose, unless the team wins that 1 game (except for Melvey who would be distraught if we won the Premiership).

Imagine being upset, angry and bent out of shape about your club for 239 games out of 240. For the life of me I can't understand why people would put themselves through such misery, never being able to see the bright side of anything. :confused: :confused: :confused:

The ability that some have to write negative things after a 10 goal win over a team that has tormented us for sooooooo long is truly astounding. :roll: :roll:

Regards Cazzesman


I don't get it. I need pictures................... :donk: :donk: :donk: :donk: :donk: :donk: :donk: :donk: :donk:


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:14 pm 
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Melvey wrote:
I don't think depth is our major issue.

My issue is the lack of 1 %'ers that our boys fail to do out there and for each other.

The amount of times i could of yelled out block FFS, shepherd, hit em, look towards goal first, run, don't turn your back to the play.


Essendon* are 16th for blocks in the AFL. Yet you're often singing the praises of Knights and Richardson.
Get a new whinge Melvey, this ones lacking substance.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:16 pm 
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Cazz

stop being an optimist!! :razz:

I'd bet that on GF night (post securing no.17), there wouldn't be a poster out there ready to point the 'bone'. Fortunately for Ratts he is a supporter of the Blues and knows what he has to put up with.....he probably sleeps well at night in the knowledge that he - more than most - is walking the talk.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:20 pm 
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Melvey wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Hypothetical.

If a club wins a Premiership every 10 years, thats roughly 220-240 games played before the ultimate prize is achieved.

I get the distinct impression that a number of posters on TC will never be happy with the team performance regardless of how they play win or lose, unless the team wins that 1 game (except for Melvey who would be distraught if we won the Premiership).

Imagine being upset, angry and bent out of shape about your club for 239 games out of 240. For the life of me I can't understand why people would put themselves through such misery, never being able to see the bright side of anything. :confused: :confused: :confused:

The ability that some have to write negative things after a 10 goal win over a team that has tormented us for sooooooo long is truly astounding. :roll: :roll:

Regards Cazzesman


I don't get it. I need pictures................... :donk: :donk: :donk: :donk: :donk: :donk: :donk: :donk: :donk:


And crayons

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:24 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Melvey wrote:
I don't think depth is our major issue.

My issue is the lack of 1 %'ers that our boys fail to do out there and for each other.

The amount of times i could of yelled out block FFS, shepherd, hit em, look towards goal first, run, don't turn your back to the play.


Essendon* are 16th for blocks in the AFL. Yet you're often singing the praises of Knights and Richardson.
Get a new whinge Melvey, this ones lacking substance.


your reply MAKES NO SENSE and your reply has no substance.

Why do you even bother reading my posts. Hey, im glad to know that you make the effort to read them. Thanks!


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