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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:00 pm 
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ffs, we win by 10 goals and you blokes are still un happy.

i offically give up .... nothing will ever please you blokes.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:16 pm 
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Sydney had their backs to the wall and were desperate to win ... they were going to be tough to crack in the second half.

good tactic to push an extra man from full forward line to half forward line ... allowed us opportunities to isolate Fev and Kreuzer and by upping the number at half forward helped us to maintain possession in that area and feed the Judds, Murphs, Simmo and Gibbs of this world running through.

Beating a side you have always struggled with is always a positive.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:47 pm 
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dadadadada wrote:
Sydney had their backs to the wall and were desperate to win ... they were going to be tough to crack in the second half.

good tactic to push an extra man from full forward line to half forward line ... allowed us opportunities to isolate Fev and Kreuzer and by upping the number at half forward helped us to maintain possession in that area and feed the Judds, Murphs, Simmo and Gibbs of this world running through.

Beating a side you have always struggled with is always a positive.



Of course its a positive.

But you go in with a positive outlook against a really shit team.. why use good players with negative roles??

Theyre shit!!!!!

Anyway.... glad the pre game plan went out the door... all that thought put in and then thrown out in the Useless Bin...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:57 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
dadadadada wrote:
Sydney had their backs to the wall and were desperate to win ... they were going to be tough to crack in the second half.

good tactic to push an extra man from full forward line to half forward line ... allowed us opportunities to isolate Fev and Kreuzer and by upping the number at half forward helped us to maintain possession in that area and feed the Judds, Murphs, Simmo and Gibbs of this world running through.

Beating a side you have always struggled with is always a positive.



Of course its a positive.

But you go in with a positive outlook against a really shit team.. why use good players with negative roles??

Theyre shit!!!!!

Anyway.... glad the pre game plan went out the door... all that thought put in and then thrown out in the Useless Bin...


Crazy talk Synbad.

Even if man on man was his plan B its still his plan. You will find all coaches tinker and change matchups. Some before the first bounce.

It will be a struggle to take you serious if you keep this line of thinking up.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:48 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
dadadadada wrote:
Sydney had their backs to the wall and were desperate to win ... they were going to be tough to crack in the second half.

good tactic to push an extra man from full forward line to half forward line ... allowed us opportunities to isolate Fev and Kreuzer and by upping the number at half forward helped us to maintain possession in that area and feed the Judds, Murphs, Simmo and Gibbs of this world running through.

Beating a side you have always struggled with is always a positive.



Of course its a positive.

But you go in with a positive outlook against a really shit team.. why use good players with negative roles??

Theyre shit!!!!!

Anyway.... glad the pre game plan went out the door... all that thought put in and then thrown out in the Useless Bin...


Crazy talk Synbad.

Even if man on man was his plan B its still his plan. You will find all coaches tinker and change matchups. Some before the first bounce.

It will be a struggle to take you serious if you keep this line of thinking up.


I dont care if you think im serious or not.
The set up was overly cautious.

Give an explanation on why Gibbs was a tagger... or i cant take you seriously...
Considering Swans has one something like one game in the last seven... and theyre really crap!!!

Ratts coaching reminds me of Master Chefs Julies puddle pudding....

Started off in her head as one thing.. and by the time its done.. its all a balls up and changed into something different to get them through...

Happens every week.

When were allowed to play cos whatever it is hasnt been working... usually we do better....

Happens with our starts every week.

Sometimes it lasts the whole game.

I call it the Ratts puddle gameplan....

Still if Ratts can somehow conjure up some kind of Stephen Bradbury /Julie flag victory.. i would take that.... but highly unlikely...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:49 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
dadadadada wrote:
Sydney had their backs to the wall and were desperate to win ... they were going to be tough to crack in the second half.

good tactic to push an extra man from full forward line to half forward line ... allowed us opportunities to isolate Fev and Kreuzer and by upping the number at half forward helped us to maintain possession in that area and feed the Judds, Murphs, Simmo and Gibbs of this world running through.

Beating a side you have always struggled with is always a positive.



Of course its a positive.

But you go in with a positive outlook against a really shit team.. why use good players with negative roles??

Theyre shit!!!!!

Anyway.... glad the pre game plan went out the door... all that thought put in and then thrown out in the Useless Bin...


You're not really putting forward a great argument there synbad, infact you are making yourself look very silly!!!!

We won, won very well and its thanks to all sorts of positives including a good coaching effort!

Sydney have not been beaten by that margin for years and have had not a team score that heavily against them all year, not even Geelong and the Saints (you know those teams who play the type of footy you admire .

Your credibility is shot when you can't give a inch just to defend your inaccurate view of things


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:09 pm 
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Enjoyed the second half. Was great to see a 10 goal win rather sitting on the edge of your seat and hoping Juddy can do it.

Was great to see the boys step it up in the second half and run run run there backsides off. Was this off there own initiative or did it come from the coaches box? why i question it is because on todays footy show Bryce Gibbs mentioned that they knew it was going to take 4 hard quarters to beat the swans...... was Ratten preparing for a tight contested 4 quarter game? i think he did going on his tactics in the first half.

Few things i noticed at the game.

Rattens attempt to play tempo footy from last year is hurting us.

If you watch carefully and especially in the first half, every time the ball was kicked in the back half to a player jogging into space the player marking the ball would follow through with another 10 steps with his back towards the goal, then turn around, look sideways and then forward. Our first option is to look back, sideways and then forward.

By the time the players go through this process all they see ahead is a swarm of players. The only player who i see double back and baulk his opponent is Simpson who at the end of the day is probably our hardest runner.

The game plan i see is 'lets hold on for dear life in the first half then deal with the rest'


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:09 pm 
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Synbad. There is no more relevance to your views becuase you can no longer argue objectively. Pity really
Pfffft

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:16 pm 
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ScottSaunders wrote:
ffs, we win by 10 goals and you blokes are still un happy.

i offically give up .... nothing will ever please you blokes.

i ask one question.

if, and i know its a big if, if results go our way this week and next, we we beat the pies, we could realisticlly be sitting 4th after 17 rounds.

4th, not just sneaking into the eight but 4th.

if you blokes arent happy with that, then i dont think there is a thing in the world that would please you.

we arent by any stretch playing out best football (though the last quarter against the swans was good) and we could find ourselves 4th on the ladder with 5 weeks to go for the season .... and im sure, you blokes would still be saying he is rubbish.


well said. . .the negativity shits me so much. . .yeh we upset at poor performances, but people will remember the bad games like Essendon* and forget that we've beaten brisbane twice, beaten footscray, beaten collingwood, and could easily have stkilda, hawthorn, and Essendon* on our casualty list also if not for a little bad luck. At the start of the year we set ourselves objectives of top 8, top 6, and some people set it at top 4. We're an extremely realistic chance at the first two of those goals, and in with a chance of top 4 also. How in hell are the MC, the coach, and the players being persecuted?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:15 pm 
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Punter22 wrote:
Synbad wrote:


Bryce Gibbs to tag Goodes.... again.....

If he isnt the most one dimmensional thinking reactive coach ever............... ............ .......... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:



Now now Synners, you're letting your own mindset get in the way of common sense. Goodes himself has said he's struggled with Gibbs as much as any player in the comp that's been tagging him.

Sydney don't have many match winners in their team right now. Goodes is one. I would absolutely set Gibbs on Goodes considering his record. It didn't work as it has in the past, so Ratts adjusted, fair play to him.


What's more, Goodes had nigh on zero influence on the match. Taken out of the match by smart tactics? Probably, IMO.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:20 pm 
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Melvey wrote:
Enjoyed the second half. Was great to see a 10 goal win rather sitting on the edge of your seat and hoping Juddy can do it.

Was great to see the boys step it up in the second half and run run run there backsides off. Was this off there own initiative or did it come from the coaches box? why i question it is because on todays footy show Bryce Gibbs mentioned that they knew it was going to take 4 hard quarters to beat the swans...... was Ratten preparing for a tight contested 4 quarter game? i think he did going on his tactics in the first half.

Few things i noticed at the game.

Rattens attempt to play tempo footy from last year is hurting us.

If you watch carefully and especially in the first half, every time the ball was kicked in the back half to a player jogging into space the player marking the ball would follow through with another 10 steps with his back towards the goal, then turn around, look sideways and then forward. Our first option is to look back, sideways and then forward.

By the time the players go through this process all they see ahead is a swarm of players. The only player who i see double back and baulk his opponent is Simpson who at the end of the day is probably our hardest runner.

The game plan i see is 'lets hold on for dear life in the first half then deal with the rest'


So, as far as you're concerned, we won despite Ratten, not because of anything he did? :roll:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:04 am 
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Melvey wrote:
The game plan i see is 'lets hold on for dear life in the first half then deal with the rest'


hahahahaha, sorry I couldnt resist


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:42 am 
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Sydney have not been beaten by that margin for years and have had not a team score that heavily against them all year, not even Geelong and the Saints.


I checked allthestats.com, and indeed, Sydney haven't lost by 60+ points since round 12 2004 against Port in their premiership year. That's 120 games :eek: since they've been smashed as badly. You can say they're in deep decline (true), but nice that we inflicted a bit of embarrassment to go with us ending their run of finals appearances, especially not having beaten them for 8 years.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:20 am 
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:

So, as far as you're concerned, we won despite Ratten, not because of anything he did? :roll:


KK, the best thing Ratts did on Saturday was recognise that he'd made a major stuff up. Luckily he realized before it was too late. Ratten wants to be the next Lyon or Clarkson as the master tactition - there's nothing wrong with being the next Matthews as the coach to guide a team of guns to multiple flags.

Let's justy play to our strengths. We've got THE best player in the comp running around with us. We've got the leading goal kicker and a ruckman who thinks he's a midfielder.

On top of that we've got Murphy and Gibbs and Simmo who are starting to finish their work with Geelong type style. Let's encourage that rather than confuse them by trying to beat a team at a game style that they've perfected.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:22 am 
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What did her food taste like Synbad? I couldnt taste it through my TV.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:34 am 
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Bloodly good coaching on the weekend, moves were timely and the lads resisted the pressure and then when they broke free, they were allowed thier head. Beautiful.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:56 pm 
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I think if you care to have a listen to the post match interview with Ratts, then all will be revealed.

Ratts was aware of the Swans tactics and where they were heading to; flood of our forwardline for the sake of them having a loose man in defense.

I reckon we did OK in the first half in a typical Swans Slog. We were in reach, and I put my money where my mouth was and backed the Blueboys to pound them with run in the last. My guess is that Ratts and the players thought if they could be tougher than the Swans because we are, and ride it out, we had the legs and skill to leave them in our wake. We did.

Have a look at who played...developing kids who still have a long way to go before they are classified as bona fide auto select senior material:

Yarran, Joseph, Johnson, Grigg, Bentley, Hartlett, Anderson and Hampson including fringe players like Fisher and Russell; that's 10 players who have yet to make a name for themselves. Add Bower who was a bit rusty on return from injury, and that's half the team who is developing.

Great to see the boys unleashed in the last. It reminded me of the position we got ourselves in last year where we had no choice but to play like that in the last to make up the 5 goal defecits and win. There's something special with our skills and our stamina at the moment. A big turnaround from the Eeendon game.

Now for the Pies. This will test Ratts and the MC. Lets see if they select the out of form Stevens. That will test me.

Look, we're 2 games off 3rd after 17 rounds. That is fantastic in such an even season.
Sure Ratts made mistakes early on, and will continue to do so, just like all coaches do, but the signs suggest Ratts is improving as he and we get to know more about the list and he lets go of some long held bias against the likes of Setanta and for Stevens and Cloke.

5 more rounds to go, and we have a slim chance to make 4th. That's a good sign in my books, especially for such a young team...and I'm just a punter with a keen interest in the Blues.

5 more rounds to go before judgement day.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:01 pm 
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We have some very good top liners (Juddy, Fev, Gibbs, Murph, Kreuz and Simmo and Bower slightly below), but we don't have the depth. Thing is to build a premiership side, its easier to do it when you lack bottom end talent, as opposed to top end talent (read North Melbourne and how they never did it with their group this decade). It was the fact we have these top liners which allows us to get by against crap opposition even when we aren't playing that great (the last 3 weeks).

The side will continue to get better, I think we are tracking along fine, and Ratts is still learning, as are the players. Will he win us a premiership? I don't know, no one knows, their not that easy to win. Will we be in the mix in the coming years? Most likely.


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2 years in the job now ..should have learnt a LOT by now.

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2 years in the job now ..should have learnt a LOT by now.


...and has. Should never stop learning.


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