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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 9:50 am 
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With the proper Structure and ball use a forward line mixing up between Harry Charlie McGovern Motlop Durdin Owies and our midfield should kick lots of goals

Just look at the Pies & Demons weekly goalkickers and average scores


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 9:54 am 
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Re: On the Couch comments

I agree. I have always thought that Cahrlie could be a Kouta type. His athleticism and running capacity is elite. His kicking is elite

He is good enough to play Key Forward because of this but he is not that tall. He needs to be mobile. I'd like to see him work up and down the ground. With McKay & Curnow we seem to be focused on them and bomb it too them. Oppositions then get back and pick us off. Makes it easy

We need multiple options and use it properly.

I really hope Voss and Co are looking at this becuase we have only won 5 games out of our last 18


Something has to change.

I'm curious what it will be.

So many good suggestions, and a few not so convincing ones too, some need to be adopted.

Its got to be more than tweaks. We've been hearing that since round 10 last year.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 9:55 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
With the proper Structure and ball use a forward line mixing up between Harry Charlie McGovern Motlop Durdin Owies and our midfield should kick lots of goals

Just look at the Pies & Demons weekly goalkickers and average scores



I wish at least one of those 3 smalls was a good mark, like Martin.
They all seems to be the same type. Need to mix that profile up a bit too imo.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:11 am 
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Charlie up the ground
Being saying it for a while


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:13 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
With the proper Structure and ball use a forward line mixing up between Harry Charlie McGovern Motlop Durdin Owies and our midfield should kick lots of goals

Just look at the Pies & Demons weekly goalkickers and average scores



I wish at least one of those 3 smalls was a good mark, like Martin.
They all seems to be the same type. Need to mix that profile up a bit too imo.


I'd hate to be a small forward in our side. Opposition get numbers back and block all the space because we are so slow and predictable

How many times do we get players in space inside our 50?


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:14 am 
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Can his knee handle it ??


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:29 am 
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I bloody said this yonks ago on these forums. Charlie running around up the ground causing havoc (or kicking them himself from the arc). Harry running around 30-35meters out where he has half a chance of actually kicking a goal.

I had no idea of course that Charlie's "the #2 most effective kick across the field in the competition. His inside 50 kick is 18% above everyone else."

But the coaches should know this. So wtf they doin'?

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:32 am 
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The way Carlton are playing seems symptomatic of a team trying to adapt to a new system and method, maybe that’s why the players and Voss are thinking if this a developmental year. Hopefully things will click later this year.


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Id prefer Mackay kicking 2.6 than 1.1.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 11:47 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
WOW wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
I guess I'm a bit skeptical about the draft-first approach because I've had the "privilege" of watching GWS week-in, week-out on Channel 7 Sydney, and they had all the draft concessions in the world and compiled an awesome list of young talent, but even in those exceptional circumstances could only manage one GF humiliation. And then you look at GCS...


The draft first approach did set up both Geelong’s and Hawthorn’s dynasties

However, there is more than simply relying on early picks in the draft to become a successful club ie player development, game strategies, stable board etc


I think our list is strong. We just aren’t playing to anywhere near its potential


If our list is so strong, how is a slow old journeyman like Ed Curnow still a regular starter?

How did Plowman come in vs Adelaide?

Our list is not strong, it is unbalanced. In economic terms, we have a core of upper class players, and the rest are working poor. WE HAVE NO MIDDLE CLASS.


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 1:50 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Can his knee handle it ??


I always figured this is the reason we're playing Charlie exclusively as a forward. Really hope he can be passed fit for extended duties some time this season.

I also agree with those who've suggested previously that H might be a better kick for goal if he wasn't always doubled over gasping for breath after barrelling up and down the field. Charlie roaming and H in the goal square does seem a far more potent arrangement if health permits.


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 2:21 pm 
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You know who Charlie should be modelling his game on?

Nick Reiwoldt.

Should be running the titties off the big defenders (who must play on him) and when they blow up, he drifts forwards and kicks a few. This would also make it harder for the opposition to double team or intercept when their most athletic player is playing the run-with role up the ground.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 4:51 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Can his knee handle it ??


I always figured this is the reason we're playing Charlie exclusively as a forward. Really hope he can be passed fit for extended duties some time this season.

I also agree with those who've suggested previously that H might be a better kick for goal if he wasn't always doubled over gasping for breath after barrelling up and down the field. Charlie roaming and H in the goal square does seem a far more potent arrangement if health permits.


Need both kicking goals. Like Cameron and Hawkins. Surely our coaching staff can devise a smart plan whereby their games complement each other.

Don’t want either spending too much time outside 50 as it defeats the purpose of having 2 key goal kickers. Probably prefer Curnow pinch hitting through the centre to introduce some variability to our game plan.

A lead up marking forward with speed would be preferred further up the ground. Maybe consider moving McGovern back to the forward line to play this role. Don’t think JSOS is that player.

Ultimately none of this matters if we can’t execute our skills effectively.


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 5:18 pm 
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robertbb wrote:
You know who Charlie should be modelling his game on?

Nick Reiwoldt.

Should be running the titties off the big defenders (who must play on him) and when they blow up, he drifts forwards and kicks a few. This would also make it harder for the opposition to double team or intercept when their most athletic player is playing the run-with role up the ground.



Precisely

A smart forward coach would have a bit of that implemented in his running patterns.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 5:18 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Can his knee handle it ??


I always figured this is the reason we're playing Charlie exclusively as a forward. Really hope he can be passed fit for extended duties some time this season.

I also agree with those who've suggested previously that H might be a better kick for goal if he wasn't always doubled over gasping for breath after barrelling up and down the field. Charlie roaming and H in the goal square does seem a far more potent arrangement if health permits.



He did a lot of running over summer. 6 months of it. If he handled that, his knee should be able to handle 10 kms a game.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 5:19 pm 
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WOW wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Can his knee handle it ??


I always figured this is the reason we're playing Charlie exclusively as a forward. Really hope he can be passed fit for extended duties some time this season.

I also agree with those who've suggested previously that H might be a better kick for goal if he wasn't always doubled over gasping for breath after barrelling up and down the field. Charlie roaming and H in the goal square does seem a far more potent arrangement if health permits.


Need both kicking goals. Like Cameron and Hawkins. Surely our coaching staff can devise a smart plan whereby their games complement each other.

Don’t want either spending too much time outside 50 as it defeats the purpose of having 2 key goal kickers. Probably prefer Curnow pinch hitting through the centre to introduce some variability to our game plan.

A lead up marking forward with speed would be preferred further up the ground. Maybe consider moving McGovern back to the forward line to play this role. Don’t think JSOS is that player.

Ultimately none of this matters if we can’t execute our skills effectively.


:thumbsup: I'm with you.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 5:42 pm 
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If anything is broken it needs to change to get fixed
We have been broken for nearly a full footy season

Judging by Voss’ presser after the game he is not going to change much
Interesting year ahead for the club
As it always is :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 6:01 pm 
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keogh wrote:
If anything is broken it needs to change to get fixed
We have been broken for nearly a full footy season

Judging by Voss’ presser after the game he is not going to change much
Interesting year ahead for the club
As it always is :wink:


After 8 wins from our last 20 games surely something has to change?


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 6:59 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
WOW wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
I guess I'm a bit skeptical about the draft-first approach because I've had the "privilege" of watching GWS week-in, week-out on Channel 7 Sydney, and they had all the draft concessions in the world and compiled an awesome list of young talent, but even in those exceptional circumstances could only manage one GF humiliation. And then you look at GCS...


The draft first approach did set up both Geelong’s and Hawthorn’s dynasties

However, there is more than simply relying on early picks in the draft to become a successful club ie player development, game strategies, stable board etc


I think our list is strong. We just aren’t playing to anywhere near its potential


If our list is so strong, how is a slow old journeyman like Ed Curnow still a regular starter?

How did Plowman come in vs Adelaide?

Our list is not strong, it is unbalanced. In economic terms, we have a core of upper class players, and the rest are working poor. WE HAVE NO MIDDLE CLASS.


in economic terms the upper class are rent seekers. they don’t innovante, they don’t nurture, they don’t do anything except change the laws to entitle themself to more of the pie. finance capitalism has put this on steroids which is why the middle class of educated professionals content to do important roles without ever becoming obscenely wealthy (but are well off) has been hollowed out. same for skilled workers in manufacturing entire sectors gone becuase finance capitalist don’t want well payed workers they want captured wage slaves to buy cheap
imported goods. in the place of an honest middle class and skilled working class who are middle class in the sense of wages and skills based education we have a bunch of entrepreneurial chancers and over-remunerated middle men who are small time rent seekers in their own right who’s main concerns are demonstrating their new found status with macmanisions, overblinged SUVs, private schools for the kids and holidays polluting Bali with their toxic materialism and hedonism. not that i really think this is absolute, more a resentful generalisation than anything, Michael Hudson has some really powerful evidence about this kind of economic restructuring of all rich nation economies since the postwar prosperity period which was more shared and evenly distributed by race, class, gender and age.


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 7:17 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
With the proper Structure and ball use a forward line mixing up between Harry Charlie McGovern Motlop Durdin Owies and our midfield should kick lots of goals

Just look at the Pies & Demons weekly goalkickers and average scores



I wish at least one of those 3 smalls was a good mark, like Martin.
They all seems to be the same type. Need to mix that profile up a bit too imo.


I'd hate to be a small forward in our side. Opposition get numbers back and block all the space because we are so slow and predictable

How many times do we get players in space inside our 50?


hardly near enough. I forget they are selected down there.
Being slow is the main reason for that, execution is next.

Game Plan- Tactic, call it what you like.
There's the problem with their set up, for the little blokes and the big blokes.
We need them to be in dangerous areas and close enough to link.

I just wish one of the 3 was a good mark like Martin. Adds a 4th marking option.
3 smalls is just too many for me, unless we move the ball down there quickly and to them, but...

We are all desperate to see what Vossy & Coaches come up with.
Make it easy to execute for the players we've got.

Let the boys play to win. Let em play. They're all competitive buggers.

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