Said the exact same thing yesterday. Absolutely spot on.

You guys don't seem to understand something.

Why would you give Collingwood any information that would help them if you were Carlton?

Reverse the positions, wouldn't you intentionally misinform rather than give them anything to help them?


Its not worth asking the question and expecting an answer that will help in any way, the fact that we asked at all is somewhat ridiculous.



The only positive I can see in it, is an admission that they aren't sure how to appoint the next coach but that in itself is a worry.

How can you be unsure how to get the right man for the job, and then also determine that the one who was already doing the job wasnt the right man for the job?

Sounds ridiculous.

IS ridiculous.

What truely is so secretive they know our players, they know our admin and a new coach hasnt even had a chance to sit with the players and create the gameplan. He would ahve ideas a theory thats about it. I dont think any team now days would intentionally sabatage another club. I see it as making sure we have the process right and drawing upon others ideas

Call me old school, but I wouldn't trust Collingwood as far as I could kick them

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& then bumping it again in 2 years time?

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No, you don't seem to understand. You're carrying on about something that has not been verified.
I know you're here to bag the board but let's try sticking to the facts instead of heresay.

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We have bagged Malthouse for not knowing anything so let's do the same with Pagan.

Pagan was outdated with his game plan and well past his use-by date but the guts of what he said is right. The same issues are there 15 years later and 5 coaches later. Pagan though is where it all started.

Pffft....Pagan now.
The media are really grasping for straws and the looneys are right up there, in deep.



How would Denis know, he's been sacked for over 14 years.

I mean we could always look at his coaching success after he got sacked as a point of relevance...........

Every Carlton jilted lover has had their teary moment in the spotlight, the media are parading them around like an ongoing episode of The Bachelor

Bring on Ratts next, get the bag of lollies ready

so Carlton [REDACTED] up all those years ago when they helped Collingwood become a club. Should never have done it...actually its all a bit superhero/nemesis theory.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Dennis, mick ..... all of them maybe past it, carrying a load or whatever.....maybe

A healthy attitude would be to ask “how might it or some of it be true”?......

It reminds me of 1997 when I met with the Collingwood board on two occasions as a candidate to fill the CEO job ( in those days it was called GM)......it was just before Eddie cleaned out the old board. Kevin rose and co. werent available to consider an external view. I still remember Ron Richards and Jack Kennedy’s eyes light up when I shared I was a Carlton member. A Collingwood supporter John May got the job.....he had it for 2 years before Eddie cleaned him out.

...it’s not like we’ve been (the blues) anywhere our measure of success for 20 years......regardless of the opinion, we should seek to understand it particularly when it comes from experienced sources.

It’s a simple, challenging and useful question “how might it or some of it be true”? (Particularly useful when your missus or better half gives you an earful)!

good point LB,

And has the underlining issue of debt/lack of money/cobbled to AFL house robbed this club of 20 years? Is the new financial strength a precursor to significant change?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Could be Dannyboy....surely offers some stability.

Im a believer that sustained financial success comes as a result of getting basics right like club engagement (are we all on the same bus), vibrant membership base, involved sponsors......and taking on feedback from those who wish to share it in a meaningful manner.

(Ps ive always appreciated your contributions over the many moons)

Awww fkit, give Joyce Brown a call.........

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I think this all started b/c we (John Elliot) didn't read the room on the changing tide and kept paying people in brown paper bags.
Then, we shat the bed when Brittain suffered crazy injuries which crippled the list and then we brought in Pagan.
And then, as Pagan has said before, the penalties we were dealt caused more damage than anyone could have imagined.

Then... we got desperate in trying to build a list decimated by draft and money restrictions and brought in players of limited talent and/or reputations.
Then, we pinned all hopes and love on Murphy, Gibbs & Kruezer... showering praise on them irrespective of performance/effort.
And we put up with Fev and a few worse than him. (The main problem with Fev IMO was that although he could screw around all week and still come out on game day and kick 8 goals, the young'ns he was dragging out to party with him could not...).

And then, we pinned our future to Chris Judd which did help improve the on-field culture a bit and we nearly got to a prelim.
But then, we shat the bed again and turfed out Ratten for Malthouse. (I admit that it could be argued that this did seem like a good idea at the time.) Sadly, this was the moment we took an axe to our slowly recovering club.

And then we had to start again.
All along, the Board were acting like business people who wanted to use Carlton to further their business interests rather than the old Carltonian way of using business/personal connections to further the footy club!

SO... I'm hoping that Sayers is ushering in a much better approach from the Board down. So far, he has significantly re-shaped the Board, and the coaching team, and it appears Liddle is gone too. We're making big changes and hopefully this bolsters and better supports the on-field talent.

Pagan is right to say that not everything depends on the coach. But we still need to get this decision right, like a lot of other decisions to be made.

Clarkson now moved in betting 3.50 to 3.25
Scott from 3.25 out to 3.50
Pyke has come in from $15 to $6.00

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Probably. At least by then we will be much older and wiser

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