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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:02 am 
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Unfortunately I think Kennedy’s papers were stamped when we recruited Hewett. He’s one of my favourite players but we have too many of the same. And if we need Kennedy to play like he did this season filling gaps all over the park then we are stuffed.

And that is how you upgrade your list, pushing good players out of position with better ones.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:07 am 
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If I was going all in on a player it would be TDK's kid brother .

This is what I said and couldn't believe we didn't do in the 2019 draft, instead we took an injured (ACL) Kemp.
We fell for the old "would've been a top 5 pick if he didn't get injured" line. :P

Although to be fair, I do rate Kemp and think he still has a lot of room to grow. He's one where we actually seem to have gotten his body right.

No chance we get baby De Koning now though, Cats would never trade him.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Harry kicked 49.21 this year. Around 70% accuracy. He was terrible in 2023, but seems to have found the formula this year.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:28 am 
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I like Kennedy as a player and admire his versatility, but yeah, he's the 5th-choice inside mid on the list. He'd walk into half-a-dozen opposition midfields and get 30+ each week.

I'd say his best bets would be St. Kilda (didn't SoS draft him to begin with?), North, Richmond... possibly Adelaide and Melbourne.

As for Young - he has all the physical attributes, but he's never particularly improved in his time here. Mind you, if we didn let him go we'd be in serious need of bringing in a ready-made replacement.

And Owies... I'm not shocked about it. He does kick goals, but he's a small forward, not a goal-sneak. He gets his goals by being smarter than his opponents and taking marks and working hard... he doesn't conjure up a goal out of nothing or provide a great deal of explosiveness. If the MC think they would rather invest in more explosive / elusive players knowing that they might get less consistency but more (for want of a better word) magic out of the them... I can understand.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Sydney Blue wrote:
I like Kennedy but as a mid has Lord already gone past him

Syd… come on mate :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:38 am 
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For me, I am happy with changing out at minimum 6 players (preferably injury prone ones first).
It's a yes for Houston for me, a future first and change is worth it IMO.
I'd like to see:
Houston play wing/on ball, his disposals are what is missing from our midfield to F50.
Hayes in for Marchbank but also draft/trade in another second tall to pair up with Weitering or develop (We also have JSOS coming back and he can play forward/back if required).
Use pick 11 on a quick mid that can kick the footy, Taj Hotton would be good but he's already done 1 ACL.
Campo boys.
And more kids with what we have left.

I'd also like to see:
Charlie at CHF and Harry (if still at club) at FF in a Hawkins/Cameron set up with Charlie moving down the ground more and delivering to Harry with his 50m bullet passes.
TDK training with the defence this off season so he can float down there when resting or needed.
Ollie moved to HBF and if required Acres on the rotation also to support our defence (especially if Ben can hit the ground running).
Having wings with Walsh and Houston would 100% fix our D50 to F50 transition, with speed and actually being able to hit targets going in, good bye long bombs, rainbow kicks and moon balls.

Either way all I hope is the coaching group sit down and work out our first 22, which player backs them up if injured and what kids are in place to replace them.

And FWIW, I'd keep Owies and trade one of Durdin or Motlop, neither of these kids are our future but we need to have hope one could be.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:39 am 
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BamBam7 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
If I was going all in on a player it would be TDK's kid brother .

This is what I said and couldn't believe we didn't do in the 2019 draft, instead we took an injured (ACL) Kemp.
We fell for the old "would've been a top 5 pick if he didn't get injured" line. :P

Although to be fair, I do rate Kemp and think he still has a lot of room to grow. He's one where we actually seem to have gotten his body right.

No chance we get baby De Koning now though, Cats would never trade him.

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We keep falling for that one. :lol:
Kemp is playing a lot better, not sure if it is SDK better though.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:42 am 
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bluechampion wrote:
I like Kennedy as a player and admire his versatility, but yeah, he's the 5th-choice inside mid on the list. He'd walk into half-a-dozen opposition midfields and get 30+ each week.

I'd say his best bets would be St. Kilda (didn't SoS draft him to begin with?), North, Richmond... possibly Adelaide and Melbourne.

As for Young - he has all the physical attributes, but he's never particularly improved in his time here. Mind you, if we didn let him go we'd be in serious need of bringing in a ready-made replacement.

And Owies... I'm not shocked about it. He does kick goals, but he's a small forward, not a goal-sneak. He gets his goals by being smarter than his opponents and taking marks and working hard... he doesn't conjure up a goal out of nothing or provide a great deal of explosiveness. If the MC think they would rather invest in more explosive / elusive players knowing that they might get less consistency but more (for want of a better word) magic out of the them... I can understand.

But he does have a better defensive side than all of our smalls and most likely the rest of the froward line.
Keeping the ball in there is a big priority when we play the long bomb entry game.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:44 am 
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There isn’t a market for inside mids.

Crows couldn’t find one for Crouch. Mitchell won a Brownlow & was given away - paid to play for someone else.

Kennedy is worth more to us in the ressies than a fourth round pick (essentially a vacated list spot).

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Crusader wrote:
There isn’t a market for inside mids.

Crows couldn’t find one for Crouch. Mitchell won’t Brownlow & was given away - paid to play for someone else.

Kennedy is worth more to us in the ressies than a fourth round pick (essentially a vacated list spot).

I think that all depends on wether we can bundle 4 x 4ths for Ben Campo and still use picks 11 and 31 on some good talent this draft.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:20 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
There isn’t a market for inside mids.

Crows couldn’t find one for Crouch. Mitchell won’t Brownlow & was given away - paid to play for someone else.

Kennedy is worth more to us in the ressies than a fourth round pick (essentially a vacated list spot).



Essendon*, st kilda, norf and freo (with talk fyfe is hanging them up) need a big bodied, pure extractor.

not that it means much, but on a few facebook threads, fans from those teams are whipping themselves into a lather at getting kennedy from us.

they somehow seem to correlate us having cripps and how kennedy could offer them the same type of bull in the middle. it's made for some fascinating reading :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:23 pm 
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scratch saint's from that list. they just got mcrae.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:23 pm 
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I rarely watch other teams play. Is Peatling an upgrade on Kennedy in terms of pace?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:56 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Unfortunately I think Kennedy’s papers were stamped when we recruited Hewett. He’s one of my favourite players but we have too many of the same. And if we need Kennedy to play like he did this season filling gaps all over the park then we are stuffed.

And that is how you upgrade your list, pushing good players out of position with better ones.


yeah, we are really good at this like we did with Tuohy and Betts, oh wait....


Sorry, I have no confidence in our list management.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:21 pm 
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DesEnglish wrote:
I rarely watch other teams play. Is Peatling an upgrade on Kennedy in terms of pace?



I don't know the speed stats, but the eye test tells me he's much quicker and a different footballer to Kennedy.

James Peatling has really stepped up this year.
Would be getting game time in most other teams, such is the depth at GWS.

I love his attack on the ball and his spread.
If only we could ... ex Pennant Hills boy: footy factory.
His dad was from Bendigo...maybe a Carlton family??

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:27 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Crusader wrote:
There isn’t a market for inside mids.

Crows couldn’t find one for Crouch. Mitchell won’t Brownlow & was given away - paid to play for someone else.

Kennedy is worth more to us in the ressies than a fourth round pick (essentially a vacated list spot).

I think that all depends on wether we can bundle 4 x 4ths for Ben Campo and still use picks 11 and 31 on some good talent this draft.



I'm sure Austin's thinking too. He's not stupid.

Pick 31 which becomes pick 35 of something, can be upgraded to mid 20's pick by trading out our F1 for another team's mid 20 or better pick.
I'm sure Austin is looking at this too.

With 3 delisted from Primary list, and Kennedy Owies and Young told they can look elsewhere, Austin must be cooking up something, and I'm sure VFL SAFL WAFL has some gems sitting there who may be rookied or late picks....a FB from Werribee perhaps.

I'm kind of excited bu this years Trade and Draft possibilities. I have faith because this is the 2nd last Draft before compromised drafts in 2026 when Cody Walker is available to us, and Austin has to get this list balanced and ready to fight for spots.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:29 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
scratch saint's from that list. they just got mcrae.


He's a good get.

I hope Saints prepared to continue paying his current contract.

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But the Herald Sun understands the next two seasons of Macrae’s deal are over $800,000, which is a considerable sum for a player who has regularly been the sub for Luke Beveridge’s side.

St Kilda has picks seven, 24 and 43 in this year’s draft as well as next year’s draft hand.

So they will be keen to factor in that salary cap relief for triple All Australian Macrae when it comes to a trade negotiation.

The Dogs made clear when 30-year-old Macrae decided he wanted out that they would consider his request but would need to be satisfied in a trade.


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St Kilda will hope to give a later pick to the Western Bulldogs for Jackson Macrae given his significant salary in the next two seasons of his remaining three-season deal.

Macrae has chosen St Kilda as his new home, but Ross Lyon’s side is determined to retain early picks to go heavy in the upcoming national draft.

The Dogs usually drive a hard bargain for players and might ask for an early pick on a player contracted for so long.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/draft/2024-afl-draft-order-every-clubs-picks-top-prospects-latest-intel-and-draft-date/news-story/72c6517952a12fadbeec2c5a6e682a9b

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Braithy wrote:
Crusader wrote:
There isn’t a market for inside mids.

Crows couldn’t find one for Crouch. Mitchell won’t Brownlow & was given away - paid to play for someone else.

Kennedy is worth more to us in the ressies than a fourth round pick (essentially a vacated list spot).



Essendon**, st kilda, norf and freo (with talk fyfe is hanging them up) need a big bodied, pure extractor.

not that it means much, but on a few facebook threads, fans from those teams are whipping themselves into a lather at getting kennedy from us.

they somehow seem to correlate us having cripps and how kennedy could offer them the same type of bull in the middle. it's made for some fascinating reading :lol:


Effendopes did take Setterfield to fill the big bodied mid spot they badly needed. I can see them looking at Kennedy...and offer a 4th rounder :sly:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Crusader wrote:
There isn’t a market for inside mids.

Crows couldn’t find one for Crouch. Mitchell won’t Brownlow & was given away - paid to play for someone else.

Kennedy is worth more to us in the ressies than a fourth round pick (essentially a vacated list spot).

I think that all depends on wether we can bundle 4 x 4ths for Ben Campo and still use picks 11 and 31 on some good talent this draft.



I'm sure Austin's thinking too. He's not stupid.

Pick 31 which becomes pick 35 of something, can be upgraded to mid 20's pick by trading out our F1 for another team's mid 20 or better pick.
I'm sure Austin is looking at this too.

With 3 delisted from Primary list, and Kennedy Owies and Young told they can look elsewhere, Austin must be cooking up something, and I'm sure VFL SAFL WAFL has some gems sitting there who may be rookied or late picks....a FB from Werribee perhaps.

I'm kind of excited bu this years Trade and Draft possibilities. I have faith because this is the 2nd last Draft before compromised drafts in 2026 when Cody Walker is available to us, and Austin has to get this list balanced and ready to fight for spots.


A fullback from Werribee ? that would be Nathan Cooper . Should be on an AFL list . Watched him in Werribee's win over Brisbane last week and he made ONE mistake . Just a natural Jackman . Maybe a tad short in todays game . 193 cm . Toby Pink got picked up and I reckon Cooper shits all over him . Shame Nick Coughlan got injured coz he also is AFL standard .

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Braithy wrote:
london blue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
i think charlie stays forward no matter what. tdk hopefully has a full year of health and sos too. there's ruck sorted.

i think harry could go back and do a job.


Charlie stays forward no matter what? I seem to remember he has helped us out beautifully as an interceptor down back…I think he would be much more creative than Harry down back…can just see him kicking it long and direct into the leading hands of Harry and Ashton.



i don't disagree charles is better - problem is harry and his kicking for goal. it's rock, paper scissors when he lines them up. charlie is more assured?


Mmm interesting comparison

Charlie’s is very good with ground ball gets, whereas Harry lays many more tackles

However, you might be surprised by their scoring

Harry 49.21 for the year and CC 57.41 - 70% conversion versus CC 58%

I’m keeping H forward and trying Charles back

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