as well as their strength and conditioning guy, Mr Innes!

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And Setters was even better than SPS.

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Don't want to freak you out or anything but we had him . Believe he was working for us way back in the nineties . And am pretty sure when our recruiting dpt went into meltdown he was extremely keen to return and for some unknown reason they went another way . Depressing reading hey .

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This was brought up on the socials. His first goal.

Telling.

That is.

They have a great recruitment team, and get lucky or do their homework to have success with late picks and rookies.

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I was hoping a player like 189cm Zurhaar would be a surprise Trade to Carlton this year. I just thought Austin would surprise.

He is exactly what I'm looking for as a mobile marking forward who is also good at ground level and has a bit of runt in him.

Martin is good but cant stay on the field, and the unproven Honey is next in line with his contest, aggression, speed and goal kicking, but he needs a full preseason to get back up to speed. He fell away this year imo. Gov isnt desperate enough...a bit flashy like Martin: I guess Gov is our swing man with Marchbank back.

HF: Zurhaar Curnow Motlop
F: TDK McKay Durdin

Oh well, we still have Martin, Honey, Cuningham and Philp to fight it out for that position.

Whilst I'm still not convinced our teenagers Motlop and Durdin are ready for the big time, I do believe they will improve after a full preseason, and game plan adjustments to suit the team.

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Like i say Bondi , he started with us in the nineties . He was very keen to return to our club later on and for some unfathomable reason our hierarchy knocked him back . True story .

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Not wrong.

Took me 5 years to finish a 3 year degree ffs!

Blokes like Sam Walsh are special. The rest of us need more time and a little TLC.

I would have thought that Stocker was worth that extra time and TLC.

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It wasn’t his first afl goal, just his first for Carlton…..

Oh, I see what you did there

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The Stocker trade
A double disaster
That whole 2018 era a monumental disaster
Austin doesn’t impress me either
Boyd, OBrien 2 years?
Hayes what I waste
Look at the premiership teams
Richmond had 9 of their 22 who were over 50 pick in the AFL draft
Rookie, midseason picks
Can anyone remember the last time we had a rookie like Atkins

The number one person at an AFL club is the Head of Recruiting
SOS and Brodie’s legacy continues
Too many misses than hits
Top end talent particularly in the key posts but terrible at picking mids and rookie and mid season picks

Stocker wasn’t a bad player but no where near the player that was worth swapping future first round picks
Smacked of arrogance
There is a video of the Stocker trade on You Tube
Watch it and if you have any idea about human behavior you will realize we weren’t you to play finals for a while

I don't mind Boyd getting 2 years

Sadly I agree with the rest

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Interesting that it was Richmond who were apparently keen on him at the pick after SOS live traded to get ahead of Richmond! Not always as clear as you make it out to be. If Richmond had 9 of their best 22 selected after pick 50, doesn't that suggest they also wasted numerous earlier picks. I don't understand your fettish over a players draft number. Who cares if they are pick 1 or 100. If they work to be in our best 22 or work to make our best 22 better, what does it matter where they were drafted from, when or where.

Owies and Cotts good news.
No problem with the others being 1 year.

* went for Setters before he came to us. Curious if they'll stick a 2 year under his nose before we get to the trade/draft period.

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After the re-signings of the past few days, the OOC list is down to Ed (rumoured 1 year deal but not confirmed yet), Cunners, Marchbank, Fogarty and Setterfield
On my count, we’ve got 4 lists spots currently available. I would guess it’s Acres + 3 draftees as a starting point and anything beyond that will require delisting or trading of the above OOC group

It appears they are the only 4 who have not put pen to paper

It will be interesting to see if all four make it

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I agree that it’s not always as clear as it should be.
But the more misses you have whether it’s low picks, high picks, rookie picks, mid season picks, trades that provide little return for the investment you gave up the worse off you will be and the effect of that is felt most later on.
Whilst I was buoyant like everyone else mid season it’s not surprising that we are still a middle of the road team because our depth is shit.
I hope your not implying that Richmond’s recruiting in on par with ours over the last 8 or so years.
I also counted 18 players in Geelongs and Sydney’s teams from last weekends matches that weren’t top 40 picks in the draft.

There seems to be a lot of the “grass is greener” regarding recruiting at the moment.

I’d like to ask the question, is it the recruiter or the club/coach they’re recruiting for?

Cazzesman maybe the perfect person to answer this but I’m interested to know other opinions also.

As most of you know already I view it the latter way and would like to know where I may be wrong.

We went into the first full list rebuild ever in the AFL, a massive undertaking and it was always going to take time and we were always going to be upgrading players along the way.

Firstly, unlike other clubs our talent as a whole was hands down the worst in the league and we had little to salvage, so;

1. We cleaned out most of the players that wouldn’t’ get games elsewhere and went to the draft heavily.
2. We added depth players from other clubs because we still needed mature bodies around the ball (Setters, Plowman, all the now delisted ones etc) and were slight upgrades on the departed (that’s all we could afford and injury prone and attitude issues were all acceptable).
3. We drafted in players based on a best available talent with a macro approach to positions.
4. During this time we have had 3 coaches all with different game styles, objectives and player needs.
5. So the approach was rinse and repeat for drafting and bargain hunting/punting to upgrade the list while the key top end talent developed.
6. Due to the need to progress up the ladder and with the lack of mature support a lot of talent was thrown to the wolves too early, then shunned by the next coach to win games. We have seen this with the expansion clubs yet somehow don’t relate this scenario to us, even though it was the same albeit with less talent at hand.

A lot needs to be said about continuity and this is something neither the club nor the playing group has been able to have, especially with a revolving door of coaches.

The “grass is greener” recruiters are all from clubs that have had the same coaches for the better part of 10 years and all have well defined structures, systems and roles with in the team. As a result they have all been able to find the “gems” late in the draft, surely there is a coincidence with this and not just pot luck or the recruiters being messiahs.

I see our situation this way.
We have a lot of talent on our list and more has been through the door of recent times.
But unless they are there specifically for a role in a certain position we will never have the success in recruiting some dream of.

Have you ever wondered why some players from these so called, well recruited clubs go from said club to another and are not as good as they were. Or go from poorly recruited clubs and are all of a sudden a star at the so called well recruited ones.

I believe it’s because they are just the right cog for their system and although they are talented, they will never look as good outside of that system unless their role is the same with the same support, capitalising on their 1 or 2 strengths they were drafted/traded for. Not all players have a bag of tricks like Walsh.

I think we are now at a point with the club’s recruiting where Voss has a solid game plan, he knows what traits he wants in a player, he knows what is required to improve the list for his systems and I’m sure he will give Austin clear objectives come trade/draft.

Sorry for the waffling.

We started the season -1 on the maximum list size.
Two mid season additions meant we finished the year +1.
Six deletions so far, leaves us with five open slots.

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