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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:41 pm 
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Funny you mention that. Remember when we were visiting Real Madrid and going on fact finding missions there.

A team renowned for buying its success and perennially disappointing its fans with the richest payroll in world sport.


Talking shit again ???

That is Football today. Unless you spend big it is difficult to compete with the best. Chelsea do it, so do Man U, City, and even Barcelona. Although the academy at Barcelona has produced some top quality footballers they have been complemented by expensive purchases.

Perennially disappointing Real Madrid ?? 9 European cups, 32 La Liga titles (11 more than Barcelona)
Richest in terms of annual revenues, second most valuable club in the world, coached by one of best evers.

Lets benchmark Southampton instead a club that is in administration :screwy: :screwy:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:48 pm 
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Braithy the old we bought our premierships is all crap.

We recruited, we had a great zone in the golden square and we went after coaches
we were ruthless
we demanded success
we had money but it wasn't money that got us the flags (thats the mistake JE and all since have fallen into)
it was great administrations.

and went they weren't great - see 1980 - no amount of money would win us a flag.


I don't know how many flags we 'bought" but I would think our ability to pay more than other clubs helped. Tom Hafey said that when he was at the Swans the salary cap was around $1.5 mill, Doc Edelstein told him he had to spend $3.0mill because that's what they payed at the Blues.

I agree we may have had a great zone, but for a while it was called South Australia.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:51 pm 
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We've removed some posts from here. We're discussing it now.

Take this as a general warning, cut out the personal crap, argue the points and stick to that. If you want to act like children, bait and call each other nasty names, then you'll be treated appropriately and sent to your rooms for a week.

Our football club falling apart isn't reason for us acting like tools here.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:55 pm 
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The way I feel right now I think I'll spew up if Malthouse ends up coaching us.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:57 pm 
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The way I feel right now I think I'll spew up if Malthouse ends up coaching us.


I agree Rexy.

Not a fan of this at all.

Would rather see 10 guys interviewed and if Malthouse comes out of that, then so be it.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:59 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Rexy wrote:
The way I feel right now I think I'll spew up if Malthouse ends up coaching us.


I agree Rexy.

Not a fan of this at all.

Would rather see 10 guys interviewed and if Malthouse comes out of that, then so be it.

already reaching at the moment

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:05 pm 
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The way I feel right now I think I'll spew up if Malthouse ends up coaching us.



I don't like him

Seems to be a prick of a bloke

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:09 pm 
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You think he is a prick of a bloke - its a prick of a business AFL and life in general is a bitch too. I dont like how the media and the club have treated ratts this week. Very disrespectful! At least let the bloke come out and say it will be his last game.

All the best Ratts, you were a gun of a player, captain and bloke!

Malthouse, welcome. I hope you can help some of our players grow some balls and respect for the club and jumper.

Bring on 2013!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:19 pm 
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Personally; I'm reminded of the old adage of ''Nice guys run last''.... and it might just be relevant.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:20 pm 
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thehulk wrote:
You think he is a prick of a bloke - its a prick of a business AFL and life in general is a bitch too. I dont like how the media and the club have treated ratts this week. Very disrespectful! At least let the bloke come out and say it will be his last game.

All the best Ratts, you were a gun of a player, captain and bloke!

Malthouse, welcome. I hope you can help some of our players grow some balls and respect for the club and jumper.

Bring on 2013!

And give it to the media the same way they have been giving it to rats and the club,then the Cfc supporters might then realise that malthouse will not let the media bully cfc like other people have.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:27 pm 
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The way I feel right now I think I'll spew up if Malthouse ends up coaching us.


Agree

Hated the guy for many years at Collingwood. I can't believe how some people on here will turn on their own so quickly to welcome this guy to the club. quite disgusting.

What worked for others doesn't mean it will work for us.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:36 pm 
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Agree

Hated the guy for many years at Collingwood. I can't believe how some people on here will turn on their own so quickly to welcome this guy to the club. quite disgusting.

What worked for others doesn't mean it will work for us.


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I would say why not for 6-700k a year for 5 years.

Fill that big ass hole in Carltons forward line. Waite never plays a full season, so would be good to have one of the best contested marks in the league when hes out.


Explain the difference, Mr. 100k?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:48 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Good post Siegfried I too see there being a risk with whoever we appoint because we have a flakey playing list who are not mentally strong so one game to the next your not sure what you are going to get .How can you beat Essendon* by 96 points and lose to the GC next week when you are still in finals contention -HOW CAN YOU BEAT COLLINGWOOD TWICE AND PLAY DIABOLICALLY AGAINST PORT

Simple. Cause that's the culture Ratten built.

He explained it himself this week for anyone who cared to listen. He carried blokes. Repeatedly. So rather than let a kid who perhaps wasn't ready and didn't deserve a chance have a sniff (even if that had short term consequences), he let guys who underperformed have a free pass. When there's no consequences for under performance, why would your players need to bother with such trivialities as consistent effort?

frank dardew wrote:
Putting Malthouse in is a calculated risk because in terms of pure talent we have a good list and maybe with his structures game plan and management style this group will flourish and become mentally tough

He has a great recent track record but there still is a pagan like risk

In my view it is less risky than running a sixth year with Ratten where in the 5th year the players dont have enough respect or passion or something else for him to beat the GC or Port Adelaide -

I think we should take the calculated risk at this time


I think it's a good calculated risk if you think the window is open. I'm seeing a lot of people asserting that it is, but this just reminds me that that whenever I look at other clubs who have been in contention and fallen away, their window typically closed around 2 years before the club concerned actually came to terms with that fact. I'm concerned we're in that position now. To me, too many guys went backwards this year. Judd won't win another browlow. Waite is not more durable. Jamison's early 2011 form is still an outlier. Scotland is not eternal. There are just too many falling away too quickly for mine, and this season showed the limits of what is pushing through in the short term.

If the window is closed, and I accept that that's difficult to accept after such as long time, then we don't want Malthouse. But nor should we retain the bloke who breed an apathetic culture. We want the next Malthouse. So interview the next bunch of bright young tactical things, and then employ the one whose player management style has the hard edge you're looking for. Then give him a contract that's crystal clear on the scope of his authority and that's long enough and expensive enough to given him certainty of tenure.

Then get the hell out of his way and put all of our other efforts into reforming the club's broader governance problems.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:49 pm 
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Goltzenberg wrote:
What worked for others doesn't mean it will work for us.


This is very true, but the current situation isn't working for the playing group. I'm not a huge fan of Malthouse...I really don't think anyone on here is as big a fan of him as you think, but aside from an untried coach again or waiting 12 months for Roos (when the answer might still be 'no'), I think the powers that be are stuck between a rock and a hard place. There's no easy decision here.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:54 pm 
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Ok - just ignore my posts in this thread for awhile.
This is just my personal therapy.

We're not going to get Malthouse.
We're not going to get Malthouse.
We're not going to get Malthouse.
We're not going to get Malthouse.

Thank-you.
That is all.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:18 pm 
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68 - wasn't money, wasn't Sth Australians

70 - wasn't money, wasn't Sth Australians

72 - wasn't money, wasn't Sth Australians

79 - wasn't money, wasn't Sth Australians

81/82 wasn't money, wasn't Sth Australians

we recruited, we did go after all and sundry as did other clubs
but on the whole we were well administrated and well zoned

now 87 was beginning to change - get all the interstaters we can - did the changing Vic v other states changed conditions change our mindset? (and here is JE's influence coming in to roost)

95 changed it 9and JE's legacy well and truly settled)

and look what that brought us.

This is how I see it. Not researched, just a gut feel.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:22 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
81/82 wasn't money, wasn't Sth Australians.



Your're right Bosustow and Hunter weren't South Australians. :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:24 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
81/82 wasn't money, wasn't Sth Australians.



Your're right Bosustow and Hunter weren't South Australians. :wink:


Nor Ditchburn or Fitzpatrick!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:28 pm 
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They were but the side was more home built - but perhaps it was that double that began the change where it became money and interstaters, rather than anything else.

The thing is Fitzy was a great get as was Buzz and Hunter but were they the 'Big names' that others went after. Diamond Jim for Melbourne. Peake at Geelong. Names that clubs put everything on. It never felt like we were doing that. Sure we recruited across Australia, everyone did but it wasn't all we did. We had home growns as well.

Now it seems we are always just searching for the next big thing - but like Melbourne etc.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:38 pm 
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They were but the side was more home built - but perhaps it was that double that began the change where it became money and interstaters, rather than anything else.

The thing is Fitzy was a great get as was Buzz and Hunter but were they the 'Big names' that others went after. Diamond Jim for Melbourne. Peake at Geelong. Names that clubs put everything on. It never felt like we were doing that. Sure we recruited across Australia, everyone did but it wasn't all we did. We had home growns as well.

Now it seems we are always just searching for the next big thing - but like Melbourne etc.


Always wished we'd got Jim and Phil Krakouer at the same time or instead of Warren Ralph. That combination at Claremont was like nothing I'd seen before or since.

Fev would have kicked 200 goals a season if we had two players with their delivery.

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