Chew well before swallowing.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

That's the way it seems to me too.

We have rarely put 4 quarters together...at a guess against the Saints, Tigers (rnd1) and Pies games we put 4 quaters together

It will all come together. I don't think kids can become men overnight...especially when we are bereft of leadership ...Judd, Simmo.......Stevens? Scotland? Houla? Thornton?....solid but not great leaders. Given the circumstances our kids are doing fine developing in their stride.

Hey Hartlett, Anderson, Bentley did just fine for novices...and what about that guy Russell who the coach has placed so much faith in......Ratts knows he's coming.

Russelll>>>>>>Hamill by 2011. Remember how hapless Hamill was before he turned 24.

I know we're coming. I have enjoyed this year thus far with Hammer hammering them and whilst Waite, Walker, Warnock are missing.

Can't wait to see if we end up 4th, 4th or 6th in 2009.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

We haven't strung four quarters together. It still comes down to the coach and what his plans are for those 4 quaters? i haven't seen anything to suggest we can string 4 quarters together because the boys hav eno idea what they are doing out there.

I have the agree that Ratts is not filling me with confidence yet:

We have yet to beat our voodoo teams, St Kilda, Essendon*, Sydney, Adelaide, Hawthorn. The theme here is either speed or flooding. Ratts has yet to come up with a plan to combat these types of styles.

I would like him to experiment more ie Kruezer up forward for the whole game, Aussie up forward.

His move of Jamo into full forward on the weekend almost cost us the game.

If he insists on playing Fisher, he should be further up the ground closer to goal, as pushing up to the wings gives us nothing as his kicking is not a strength of his unfortunately.

If he is trying to be tough with players such as Stevo and Scotto, then why is Bentley, Houlihan, Fisher still playing.

Too me we are too reactive, we never let teams worry about tagging our players, we are too busy worrying about theirs.

We go around in circles, always look sideways when we have the ball.

I hope he succeeds, but I think he is either too soft or lacks the killer instinct.

I for one think we have the right players to move forward, but players are not used to their strengths.

I am happy to be proven wrong, but have not been so far.

To suggest the Coach and the boys have no idea is just foolish. They have won 8 games including wins against the Doggies (43pts), Pies (51pts) and Brisbane (twice). That's not to shabby for a team with supposedly no idea.

Hate Ratts as much as you like but you need to show some greater perspective about your supposed team if you ever hope to be taken seriously as someone with even half an idea about AFL footy or Carlton.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Just have to beat Essendon* in a final this year and Melv's will have nowhere to go

I want to play the scum in the finals, please footy god let it be.

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

i lol'd!!!

no offence melvey, but shut up.

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Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

The players know how to play football. Our coach does not know how to coach them

TAKE AWAY JUDD AND WE'D BE SITTING AROUND BOTTOM 4 and you know it

SO HOW IS THAT IMPROVING

Essendon* didn't need a Judd to be on par with us.

The sad thing is that some people know this but there hands are tied. This club will only suffer longer for it

If Eve didn't have Adam, we might all be typing in monkey kicking coconuts between trees.

Take away Judd and we have Kennedy and Masten/Palmer, we have our CHF and another gut running midfielder.

So are you saying the Judd trade may turn out to be another bad decision made by this club

none taken.

guys i just got back from work.... is Ratten still the coach?

NO COMMENT

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

We actually didnt put 4 quarters together against the saints - Iirc, we got blown out by about 30 points or so fairly early...

Just backs up your point on our lack of consistency though and how much better we will be when we get it together for sustained periods. Have no doubt that will come as some of our 'kids' (ie sub 50 game players) that have had to play key roles within the team gain more strength/experience

Gee melvey entertains a LOT of people here going by the amount of responses he gets. I wonder which TCer is his biggest fan? This place would be a ghost town if he was banned.



As far as Ratts goes I think he's still battling culture issues within the list which is disappointing.
It's fair to say that perhaps he and the FD have caused a lot of that by not cutting deep enough over the last 2 offseasons.

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There's so much I could say...

I think, unfortunately, you may be right with that.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

If Ratten is the man (which i think he's not) than this is what i think needs to happen....................

1. Review of the football department and beef it up
Its a worry that our most experienced coach is Mark Riley. Brett Ratten is learning on the job, Craig Bradley hasn't had much experience either (2 games at at the Saints) and Montgomery is an ex premiership player. The club could gain so much if they added the likes of a Brenton Sanderson, Damien Hardwick, Todd Viney or Dean Laidley (which Synbad said no chance) These guys are smart, have experience and all on top of the modern game and will add more to the football department than what we currently have.


2. Rid the list cloggers
The list needs to be turned over. We have become so predictable because of some the senior players we have on our list, which I honestly believe don't add nothing more than we already know to our side. Players Houlihan, Bannister, Cloke, Scottland, Stevens and Fisher must be cut or told they are not part of the plan and nor should they be. There best is no good, the game has passed them and been around long enough that opposition teams know they are no good and expose there weaknesses.

The starting 22 for next year for me would be

FB: Thornton - Jammo - Jospeh
HB: Grigg - Bower - Johnson
C: Walker - Muprh - Simpson
HF: Waite - Krooze - Yarran/Wiggins
FF: Betts - Fevola - Gartlett/Robinson
FOL: Warnock - Judd - Gibbs
INT: Hampson - Carrazzo - Browne - Armfield

EM: Hartlett - Anderson - Wiggins (think he has something to add)

Maybe a simplistic view but at the moment i feel as if we are a little directionless and have no vision. For example The hawks identified that the likes of Thompson, Hay, Vandenberg, Dixon and Rawlings were not going to take them further. They were not part of there plans, they were not persisted with and moved on.

Part of my frustration is seeing the same names pop up again and again. Many of us know that some of these guys are just no good but are persisted with as Ratten is desperate to make finals. Last year Ratten should have identified that the likes of Fisher, Cloke, Bannister and Houlihan are just no good but played them, played them this year and just like last year, this one has become another wasted one that these 'cloggers' have taken spots away from other untried players. We've become so predictable, we have to many players that there weaknesses outweigh the strengths and opposition coaches love seeing the names of Fisher, Cloke, Bannister, Houlihan and Stevens on the team sheets.

Well said. I don't entirely agree with you, but I agree with where you're coming from.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Hmm. I'm thinking if we had delisted all those "list clogger" last season for example, we would not be in the 8 now and there would be even more wolves howling for blood.