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Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17959

Wangers wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Wangers wrote:

99prelim wrote:

Wangers wrote:

KJ has no one to blame but himself. You don't suddenly decide to give up the grog, night outs, etc in your final year of your contract and expect the club to re contract you. Deserved to be delisted. It would have been a joke to tell other clubs KJ is available for a trade let alone a 3rd rounder, Rod!!

The football world is filled with young men who've made a mistake, or even made several, only to be educated and provided with re-teaching, support, opportunities and a vision for what their contribution can look like in a successful team etc.

You must must've be such a paragon in your circle of influence with your elevated standards and demonstrative self righteousness. Good on you. May I have the honour just to touch your robes??

Listen champ, I'd rather trust those in charge at the club making the decisions. I know what high performance environments look like and if my club makes a call on a player not worth putting on the trade table, then so be it. Thankfully you're not running the show in list management at CFC.

There's a difference. The club delisted a player. You're making assertions that he delisted because he was on the grog, late nights etc.
Thats what shits me with these rumours. nck posted a couple of months ago about KJ being out late one night. When I followed up asking if he was drinking or how late he was out, no reply. No substantiation.
See, I think if you're going to gob off on about a player and sully his reputation, there is an onus on you to back it up.
Because someone posts an unsubstantiated rumour about a player, suddenly other posters claim he's out on the town all the time and hitting the piss. Hell, Dane even believes it because "he's passionate about it" :lol:

Lets not worry about the facts!

So no, you're not backing in the club and its reasons because you don't know what they are. You're backing a poster who drops hand grenades, wipes his hands and walks away when challenged to back up his story. Theres a big difference between the 2.

The cavalry has arrived. Because you're a nobody, I won't reveal my sources. Put it this way, They're very trusted. I'll leave it at that.

Go back to playing legos, and yes, I am backing the club and its reasons. After all that's their job. If you don't trust their judgement, why support the club?

Cavalry?
More like a monkey riding a donkey. :lol:

See where you're confused is, I'm backing the club too. I believe they understand the capabilities and prospects of the players. If they thought it was time to move Jaksch on and get fresh blood in, thats fine with me.
The rest however is bullshit speculation by keyboard heroes who want to look important on a fan site. Unless you have specifics, lets just wish the delisted players good luck and move on. Spreading unsubstantiated bullshit and rumours doesn't serve any purpose other than slur the character of a kid who was just moved on from the club.
Even nobodies like me know that.

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

Blue Vain wrote:

Wangers wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Wangers wrote:

99prelim wrote:

[quote="Wangers"]KJ has no one to blame but himself. You don't suddenly decide to give up the grog, night outs, etc in your final year of your contract and expect the club to re contract you. Deserved to be delisted. It would have been a joke to tell other clubs KJ is available for a trade let alone a 3rd rounder, Rod!!

The football world is filled with young men who've made a mistake, or even made several, only to be educated and provided with re-teaching, support, opportunities and a vision for what their contribution can look like in a successful team etc.

You must must've be such a paragon in your circle of influence with your elevated standards and demonstrative self righteousness. Good on you. May I have the honour just to touch your robes??

Listen champ, I'd rather trust those in charge at the club making the decisions. I know what high performance environments look like and if my club makes a call on a player not worth putting on the trade table, then so be it. Thankfully you're not running the show in list management at CFC.

There's a difference. The club delisted a player. You're making assertions that he delisted because he was on the grog, late nights etc.
Thats what shits me with these rumours. nck posted a couple of months ago about KJ being out late one night. When I followed up asking if he was drinking or how late he was out, no reply. No substantiation.
See, I think if you're going to gob off on about a player and sully his reputation, there is an onus on you to back it up.
Because someone posts an unsubstantiated rumour about a player, suddenly other posters claim he's out on the town all the time and hitting the piss. Hell, Dane even believes it because "he's passionate about it" :lol:

Lets not worry about the facts!

So no, you're not backing in the club and its reasons because you don't know what they are. You're backing a poster who drops hand grenades, wipes his hands and walks away when challenged to back up his story. Theres a big difference between the 2.

The cavalry has arrived. Because you're a nobody, I won't reveal my sources. Put it this way, They're very trusted. I'll leave it at that.

Go back to playing legos, and yes, I am backing the club and its reasons. After all that's their job. If you don't trust their judgement, why support the club?

Cavalry?
More like a monkey riding a donkey. :lol:

See where you're confused is, I'm backing the club too. I believe they understand the capabilities and prospects of the players. If they thought it was time to move Jaksch on and get fresh blood in, thats fine with me.
The rest however is bullshit speculation by keyboard heroes who want to look important on a fan site. Unless you have specifics, lets just wish the delisted players good luck and move on. Spreading unsubstantiated bullshit and rumours doesn't serve any purpose.
Even nobodies like me know that.[/quote]

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Centenaryblue · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:04 am

99prelim wrote:

We all knew about Lawrence Angwin and we all accepted it.

Accepted it but still feel the pain of it. That kid was a freakish talent. Coulda been anything.

Centenaryblue · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:20 am

I have a lot more confidence in the management of the club than I did a few years ago. The decision not to play Jaksch both early and again late in the season when he was showing some form in the 2's would have been discussed at the highest levels in the club.

Something was very wrong somewhere.

It will come out eventually, and I hope for the young man's sake that by then he has moved on and made a few wins for himself elsewhere in life. Most of us were young once and done dumb things we later regretted and learned from.

frank dardew · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:38 pm **Posts:** 7640

Agreed platform /base built nicely over the last 2 years

Looking forward to draft /trade period -last 2 have been essential in building the platform

Now got the right people in the right places in terms of admin/executives driving the culture values and expertise in the organisation

Blue Skies ahead

Go Blues
Roll on 2018

camel · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:15 am

Wangers wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Wangers wrote:

99prelim wrote:

Wangers wrote:

KJ has no one to blame but himself. You don't suddenly decide to give up the grog, night outs, etc in your final year of your contract and expect the club to re contract you. Deserved to be delisted. It would have been a joke to tell other clubs KJ is available for a trade let alone a 3rd rounder, Rod!!

The football world is filled with young men who've made a mistake, or even made several, only to be educated and provided with re-teaching, support, opportunities and a vision for what their contribution can look like in a successful team etc.

You must must've be such a paragon in your circle of influence with your elevated standards and demonstrative self righteousness. Good on you. May I have the honour just to touch your robes??

Listen champ, I'd rather trust those in charge at the club making the decisions. I know what high performance environments look like and if my club makes a call on a player not worth putting on the trade table, then so be it. Thankfully you're not running the show in list management at CFC.

There's a difference. The club delisted a player. You're making assertions that he delisted because he was on the grog, late nights etc.
Thats what shits me with these rumours. nck posted a couple of months ago about KJ being out late one night. When I followed up asking if he was drinking or how late he was out, no reply. No substantiation.
See, I think if you're going to gob off on about a player and sully his reputation, there is an onus on you to back it up.
Because someone posts an unsubstantiated rumour about a player, suddenly other posters claim he's out on the town all the time and hitting the piss. Hell, Dane even believes it because "he's passionate about it" :lol:

Lets not worry about the facts!

So no, you're not backing in the club and its reasons because you don't know what they are. You're backing a poster who drops hand grenades, wipes his hands and walks away when challenged to back up his story. Theres a big difference between the 2.

The cavalry has arrived. Because you're a nobody, I won't reveal my sources. Put it this way, They're very trusted. I'll leave it at that.

Go back to playing legos, and yes, I am backing the club and its reasons. After all that's their job. If you don't trust their judgement, why support the club?

Effes · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:17 am

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-04/i ... blues-deal

'Invigorated' Silvagni signs new Blues deal

Peter Ryan September 4, 2017 9:56 AM

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AFL 2017 Round 10 - Carlton v North Melbourne

Alex Silvagni has signed a new one-year deal with Carlton
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Big Blue shuns free agency, inks new deal

"Being around such a young group in a different environment is like starting my AFL career again"
Alex Silvagni

EXPERIENCED defender Alex Silvagni will enter his second season at Carlton in 2018 after the Blues signed him to a one-year deal.

The Blues have been impressed with his ability to teach their emerging young defenders and want him to continue to play the role he performed in 2017.

The 29-year-old made an immediate impression on Blues' fans in his first match with the club in round six when he kept Coleman Medallist Lance Franklin to one goal.

He then hit good form before suffering a knee injury in round 12 against Greater Western Sydney that restricted him to just one more game for the season.

Silvagni told AFL.com.au he was rapt to remain a Blue for another season, having joined the club as a rookie at the end of 2016 following 53 games with Fremantle between 2010-2016.

"This whole 12 months has been fantastic and invigorating for me," he said.

Scotty12000 · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:42 am

Effes wrote:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-04/invigorated-silvagni-signs-new-blues-deal

'Invigorated' Silvagni signs new Blues deal

Peter Ryan September 4, 2017 9:56 AM

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AFL 2017 Round 10 - Carlton v North Melbourne

Alex Silvagni has signed a new one-year deal with Carlton
Related

Big Blue shuns free agency, inks new deal

"Being around such a young group in a different environment is like starting my AFL career again"
Alex Silvagni

EXPERIENCED defender Alex Silvagni will enter his second season at Carlton in 2018 after the Blues signed him to a one-year deal.

The Blues have been impressed with his ability to teach their emerging young defenders and want him to continue to play the role he performed in 2017.

The 29-year-old made an immediate impression on Blues' fans in his first match with the club in round six when he kept Coleman Medallist Lance Franklin to one goal.

He then hit good form before suffering a knee injury in round 12 against Greater Western Sydney that restricted him to just one more game for the season.

Silvagni told AFL.com.au he was rapt to remain a Blue for another season, having joined the club as a rookie at the end of 2016 following 53 games with Fremantle between 2010-2016.

"This whole 12 months has been fantastic and invigorating for me," he said.

Good signing. I'm liking that while we're following a specific age profile in our national draft and the majority of our external trades, the older players we're bringing in are alos being profiled for their leadership/mentoring abilities and possibly future coaching roles. Thinking ahead in positive ways.

steve · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:46 am

And they are on one year contracts, which gives us flexibility moving forward

Blues21 · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:19 pm

I'd like to see O'Shea make his way onto the list if we can. He's still young enough and won't cost the earth. Short contract (2 years). Maybe if White doesn't make the cut?

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17959

I like his ability to find the ball Blues21 but he spent most of his times as a loose man. I'm not sure on his ability to shut down an opponent. His disposal wasn't overly trustworthy either IMHO.

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

Blue Vain wrote:

I like his ability to find the ball Blues21 but he spent most of his times as a loose man. I'm not sure on his ability to shut down an opponent. His disposal wasn't overly trustworthy either IMHO.

how would he go as an inside mid ala Ed Curnow ?

seems to be really fit and we need mature bodied midfield depth

BigKev · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:14 pm

99prelim wrote:

Wangers wrote:

99prelim wrote:

Wangers wrote:

KJ has no one to blame but himself. You don't suddenly decide to give up the grog, night outs, etc in your final year of your contract and expect the club to re contract you. Deserved to be delisted. It would have been a joke to tell other clubs KJ is available for a trade let alone a 3rd rounder, Rod!!

The football world is filled with young men who've made a mistake, or even made several, only to be educated and provided with re-teaching, support, opportunities and a vision for what their contribution can look like in a successful team etc.

You must must've be such a paragon in your circle of influence with your elevated standards and demonstrative self righteousness. Good on you. May I have the honour just to touch your robes??

Listen champ, I'd rather trust those in charge at the club making the decisions. I know what high performance environments look like and if my club makes a call on a player not worth putting on the trade table, then so be it. Thankfully you're not running the show in list management at CFC.

And I trust the pile of evidence from the past that tells me that 22 yo can f^&* things up, but get themselves right. He was given not one opportunity for the most powerful type of redemption...an opportunity to taste and see what success could look like on the big stage.

Difference with KJ was that as catastrophic as his behaviour has been over the last 3 years, the club have been better than ASIO at ensuring no leaks to the public....after all, it's not as though the media would want to jump on a story about a miscreant player????

We've heard 5/8 of flower all in public...just speculation and rumours (which probably have substance and which other clubs would be well aware of). i'm very confident he'll end up on an AFL list (rookie or main) in 2018.

Imagine if Carey, Fevola, Martin, Didak, Shaw, De Goey, Rocklif and about another 100 players over the last 20 years were cast adrift prematurely

I

You've left an entire football club off your list there.

aboynamedsue · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm **Posts:** 6047

Effes wrote:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-04/invigorated-silvagni-signs-new-blues-deal

'Invigorated' Silvagni signs new Blues deal

Peter Ryan September 4, 2017 9:56 AM

Newsletter
RSS

AFL 2017 Round 10 - Carlton v North Melbourne

Alex Silvagni has signed a new one-year deal with Carlton
Related

Big Blue shuns free agency, inks new deal

"Being around such a young group in a different environment is like starting my AFL career again"
Alex Silvagni

EXPERIENCED defender Alex Silvagni will enter his second season at Carlton in 2018 after the Blues signed him to a one-year deal.

The Blues have been impressed with his ability to teach their emerging young defenders and want him to continue to play the role he performed in 2017.

The 29-year-old made an immediate impression on Blues' fans in his first match with the club in round six when he kept Coleman Medallist Lance Franklin to one goal.

He then hit good form before suffering a knee injury in round 12 against Greater Western Sydney that restricted him to just one more game for the season.

Silvagni told AFL.com.au he was rapt to remain a Blue for another season, having joined the club as a rookie at the end of 2016 following 53 games with Fremantle between 2010-2016.

"This whole 12 months has been fantastic and invigorating for me," he said.

A 1 year deal makes perfect sense to me.

Is he staying on the rookie list or is he being moved to the primary list?

aboynamedsue · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm **Posts:** 6047

Blues21 wrote:

I'd like to see O'Shea make his way onto the list if we can. He's still young enough and won't cost the earth. Short contract (2 years). Maybe if White doesn't make the cut?

No thanks. His disposal is sub-AFL standard, from what I have seen.

Speaking of VFL players, I wonder if Bayley Fritsch from Casey might be one to look at for a rookie spot?

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17959

Agree about O'Shea's disposal.
Bayley Fritsch has a heap of talent. That in-between size unfortunately but freakish ability.

Heres an article on him from earlier this year.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/loca ... 25ff9212fa

I watched him play a couple of games in 2014. He dropped back to EFL under 19s footy after being the leading goal kicker in the senior comp. He was only 17 but he was standing on heads taking huge marks. The only question I had on him was workrate and a question on his attitude. If he has that up to speed, he could be a chance.

17th Premiership · **Joined:** Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:22 am **Posts:** 2742

Question: Does anyone know how we rated Marchbank v Tomlinson before we traded for Marchbank?

It has been reported that Collingwood are interested in Tomlinson and that he might be open to it.
I am v happy with Marchbank & think he will be core defender for 10years for us.
BUT, does anyone know whether, at the time, we preferred Tomlinson and 'settled' for Marchbank or did we always rate Marchbank higher?
And what do we think about Marchbank v Tomlinson now?

(I also posted this in Marchbank player thread - not sure where it belongs but suspect more people looking at this thread at the moment...?)

woof · **Joined:** Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:51 am **Posts:** 4919

I reckon your answer might be found with what it cost us to bring those two players to the club.

17th Premiership · **Joined:** Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:22 am **Posts:** 2742

Question: Does anyone know how we rated Marchbank v Tomlinson before we traded for Marchbank?

It has been reported that Collingwood are interested in Tomlinson and that he might be open to it.
I am v happy with Marchbank & think he will be core defender for 10years for us.
BUT, does anyone know whether, at the time, we preferred Tomlinson and 'settled' for Marchbank or did we always rate Marchbank higher?
And what do we think about Marchbank v Tomlinson now?

(I also posted this in Marchbank player thread - not sure where it belongs but suspect more people looking at this thread at the moment...?)

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17959

17th Premiership wrote:

Question: Does anyone know how we rated Marchbank v Tomlinson before we traded for Marchbank?

It has been reported that Collingwood are interested in Tomlinson and that he might be open to it.
I am v happy with Marchbank & think he will be core defender for 10years for us.
BUT, does anyone know whether, at the time, we preferred Tomlinson and 'settled' for Marchbank or did we always rate Marchbank higher?
And what do we think about Marchbank v Tomlinson now?

(I also posted this in Marchbank player thread - not sure where it belongs but suspect more people looking at this thread at the moment...?)

I can't answer that but GWS rated Marchbank higher. He was playing AFL whenever he was fit to do so. Tomlinson played a lot of NEAFL.
Plus Marchbank is 20. Tomlinson is 24. Tomlinson was showing very little at 20 years of age.

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