I agree on culture

We waved the flag so early last night. No leadership. Loser club. Decided to try late but it was too late. The players gave up early in the 3rd. It was pitiful.

As problematic as the culture and lack of leadership is the reality is Voss hasn't been able to turn that around

Rs 1 to 10 last year was the sugar hit you usually get when you get a new coach

The sugar hit subsided around week 12 or 13 and since then we've been a very average side that if anything has gone backwards slightly this year

I'd take that article with a pinch of salt.
Brisbane had 19 players who have played together all year, that cohesion amongst the group is priceless.
Systems take time and consistency to develop and so far Voss has had little of both.
Fagan has been head coach for how long, so too Lyons and Adelaide had 2 on their injury list.
And we do need our "22 rolled gold pieces" out there as our depth drops off a lot more than the other top teams, our middle tier is not big enough.
Brisbane added some pretty good top end talent last season and we only added a mid tier player at his 3rd club and two kids.
And Zac Williams was not our only key out.........Martin and Owies say hello, funnily enough that is an area where we lost the game, in the F50 with poor deliveries, pressure to keep the ball locked in and creating opportunities for goals.

Just think, why did we break down at different ends of the ground at different games?
Could it be the opposition and player match ups?
Could it be poor skills from players?
Could it also be the area of the ground that connects the two and the skill and speed of those in there?
Or is it only coaching?
In his presser Voss basically spelled it out, he said a good midfield requires 5-6 players and if a good player is having a bad run (Cripps) then it is up to the other players to make up for that and we didn't.
Too much left to too few, we need to break this cycle and that is player driven.

Fair call but personally I think after a year we should be better progressed and we haven't progressed at all

But fair post

Look I know I'm repeating myself but I believe the best coaches have really clearly unique and original game plans
And I don't see that in Voss
Not at all sadly

They also have either years of experience or have assistant coaches that have been senior coaches.
Choco at the Dees.
Bolton and Leppitsch at the Pies.
But all that is negligible if the players you have can't even kick the ball.
Voss has come into a club that has a core playing group that have previously played two totally different styles of football (Bolton and Teague) in almost as many years, it takes time to break bad habits, develop systems and build cohesion and trust.
We need to try this for more than a couple of years for a change.
His game plan last year got results but had its deficiencies, they have added a more defensive layer with controlled play and tempo to move the ball forward against the more defensive sides and to stop the bleeding on the way back out of our forward line.
End of Rnd 7, we were the 3rd least scored against club.
The big issue is the players implementing the plan, as we seen last night.
We're all hard on the players and the coaches at times but patience may the best option this season with a balanced expectation of where we will finish.
Finals is still the goal and the game plan does not look that complex that the players we have can't execute it as we seen them do it in the Wet Coat game, they just need to be able to execute it under pressure against a lot better teams.
Next week should be a better gage of where we are at on the ladder.

Well said sidefx

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Yes. And it articulates what these "extra layers" are that some were so dismissive about. We may not like these layers - but they are there. And I do agree with Voss that poor execution (skills) is stopping them turning into W's. I'm not sure what gameplan we could implement that mitigates our lack of kicking skills - you could look at Collingwood for inspiration, some of whose F50 entries are shoddy beyond belief, but they are effective because they are relentless... and that takes us to our other problem, our lack of speed, strength and resilience to injury. So I can't think of any current AFL team's tactical approach that could make us a top four side. That's not to say it can't be done, but it would take some kind of @#$%&! genius.

this is it. well said Jim, perfect summary

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I do wonder how we still have the same poor attitude to 10 years ago?
There's basically no one left from that period.

It gets passed down

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If your child has gone backwards in Year 9 maths, I'll bet 99% of parents will be organising a meeting with their child's maths teacher

Now...there may be many reasons behind it but as a general rule, a parent would like to see approximately one year's learning for one year's teaching

In golfing terms, it's called par

Our performance this year, regardless of the fact that numerically we are in the positive are "below par"

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PAR….

we’re taking 3 from the Tee every week at the moment 99…
gets tough to make par from there…!

we actually toe’d one down the middle against the cats..!


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Absolutely. Don’t start me on culture or leadership. All words.
I’d sub Cripps this week and watch how he reacts to it.

There is no hiding over the next week for this team.
4 weeks against the top sides will highlight all our inefficiencies, both on and off field.
0-1 at this point and any loss is a loss, no matter how close we get. No excuses on not winning anymore.

It's not the 1980's. The head coach is the manager of the coaches and leader of the club but the head coach is rarely the strategic director these days. Ross Lyon has openly stated he gave full responsibility to his assistants to design the game plan and strategic direction of the Saints. Chris Fagan has little involvement at the Lions and a mates son plays at the Pies. He told me MaRae gives full autonomy to his assistants and he manages relationships with the players.

Personally I believe Voss is an excellent leader of the club but his assistants are yet to show their value. Hanson is very highly rated but he hasn't shown me any variation. Hamill has been hamstrung by injury but he has some exceptional talent at his disposal and the players appear to like Clarke but his strategies were worked out by the opposing teams mid last year and he hasn't shown an ability to deviate.
We were great at bursting out the front of stoppages early last year but all clubs are running a defender off the line against us now to prevent that succeeding.

We need a significant change of strategy. Both offensive and defensive. We've fallen back into old habits of recent with our defenders dropping off their opponents and happily taking the back position. We don't need to bite off the corridor all the time like we tried last night but we need to move the ball faster. We're letting the opposition set up too often which takes away the 15-20m kicks that can break up a zone.
Our players need to be re-programmed to understand additional possession doesn't necessarily equate to success. I was frustrated last night watching Docherty calling for the ball to be switched laterally several times when the "best for team" decision was to go forward before the opposition got numbers back.
It's obvious to everyone we're overpossessing the footy, moving it too slowly and lacking the movement to create options when we have the ball. Voss has spoken about it numerous times.
The key is to get some strategic diversity in the coaches box that offers more than we have now. We had some good strategies 12 months ago but we've struggled to come up with anything since it's been countered.

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Not sure about it takes time just not a good coach take a look at Collingwood/Saints/giants/Essendon* well coached with a system that works we have none of that

Our recruiting has been our main problem
Coaching needs to be better too which I will get to
Silvangi stuffed up 7 picks between 2017 to 2019
4 top 10s
3 top 20s
No need to go into details
Besides McGovern who overall has been crap in 4.5 years Silvangi either traded or used these picks on mids
These mids of which two are still at the club and are ordinary have all been busts
Any head of recruitment half decent would have got 3 of those right
All these guys should be approaching the prime of their careers

Imagine how much better we would be if we had 3 more decent mids who could also run off half back and distribute the ball effectively
I was angry with the Setterfield McGovern trades as you know and now we are seeing the full effect of it
Simply put even if we were coached better we still arnt a top 4 team
In saying all that there are some disturbing trends in the coaching box
Teams have figured as out
Saad’s effectiveness has been nullified
Teams make him defend ( Ben Keays twice) or impede his overlap run as what happened Friday night
Voss and co continue to play him in the same spot
So change his role
Play him on a wing on the ball for 10 minutes
When Cripps gets under 20 possessions we have lost 7 out of the last 8 games
So why not chuck him up forward
Other than the North game where the opposition back line were midgets the Curnow McKay duo hasn’t worked
So play Curnow on the ball for periods of the game

Nothing has changed since round 10 last year
I agree that the coaching group is a collective
One man’s weakness is another man’s strength

But surely if it isn’t working you change it
It ain’t rocket science
Voss’ press conferences are becoming less convincing as the year goes on