The all NEW Mick Malthouse thread

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:35 pm

cimm1979 wrote:

Synbad wrote:

the time for an unproven coach was 5 to 3 years ago.... even 2 years ago

we stayed with ratts....

we have a terrible culture..... and by the clubs own admission they dont believe we can fix our terribe culture enough to bring in an unproven.

MM at least will have a vission on what needs to happen.

And he will understand this footy club better than most candidates.

The culture won't change given the clubs financial position.

There is no incentive for the cash providers to reduce the debt because they lose their influence.

So it's a club united behind MM?

For how long?

The right coach is the right coach. I don't agree that there should ever be a cut off point.

Is the club behind MM???

Well they have no choice... they dont have the answers themselves.

I think youre all beginning to understand the concerns i have had for a few years now.....

Re these people around the club....

Theyre not worth a pinch of shit.....

We look to Collingwood....

Collingwood are getting their business ideas from Barcelona.... NY GIANTS or what have you...

Different mentality

Braithy · **Joined:** Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm **Posts:** 6896

Synbad wrote:

Collingwood are getting their business ideas from Barcelona.... NY GIANTS or what have you...

Different mentality

Funny you mention that. Remember when we were visiting Real Madrid and going on fact finding missions there.

A team renowned for buying its success and perennially disappointing its fans with the richest payroll in world sport.

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:40 pm

Braithy wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Collingwood are getting their business ideas from Barcelona.... NY GIANTS or what have you...

Different mentality

Funny you mention that. Remember when we were visiting Real Madrid and going on fact finding missions there.

A team renowned for buying its success and perennially disappointing its fans with the richest payroll in world sport.

When was that????

Braithy · **Joined:** Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm **Posts:** 6896

Synbad wrote:

Braithy wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Collingwood are getting their business ideas from Barcelona.... NY GIANTS or what have you...

Different mentality

Funny you mention that. Remember when we were visiting Real Madrid and going on fact finding missions there.

A team renowned for buying its success and perennially disappointing its fans with the richest payroll in world sport.

When was that????

Years ago. I was a lot younger. It might have been Brittain's idea? Possibly even Parkin's?

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:43 pm

Synbad wrote:

The problem is the leadership of this club knows not what to do and keeps looking elsewhere for answers...

Which is what alot of people have been saying all along.

Its obvious now....... i think!!!

Rudderless...

We will become competitive in the league with a new coach....

But we sure as hell are going to be left behind in the big club stakes.

Regime change is necessary.... and it needs to be done now

I'm comfortable with regime change, but how can it happen?

Anybody who get's brought in as Prez and CEO will need the approval of the same group of board members overseeing the club at the moment.

If that's the case they may be great but beholden to them and so reduce their effectiveness or worse they may install vanilla bosses who make no improvements. I know that you believe Sticks is one of these candidates, but let's leave him out of this for now.

Is there anyway the board (given the current make-up and their financial support) would even let a Brian Cook or Eddie Maguire in as a CEO and Prez? and if they did would they be so hamstrung as to be rendered useless?

That's my concern. We are on a financial drip and completely at the mercy of benefactors.

frank dardew · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:38 pm **Posts:** 7640

Good post Siegfried I too see there being a risk with whoever we appoint because we have a flakey playing list who are not mentally strong so one game to the next your not sure what you are going to get .How can you beat Essendon* by 96 points and lose to the GC next week when you are still in finals contention -HOW CAN YOU BEAT COLLINGWOOD TWICE AND PLAY DIABOLICALLY AGAINST PORT

Putting Malthouse in is a calculated risk because in terms of pure talent we have a good list and maybe with his structures game plan and management style this group will flourish and become mentally tough

He has a great recent track record but there still is a pagan like risk

In my view it is less risky than running a sixth year with Ratten where in the 5th year the players dont have enough respect or passion or something else for him to beat the GC or Port Adelaide -

I think we should take the calculated risk at this time

mots · **Joined:** Tue May 11, 2010 9:46 pm **Posts:** 832

I don't think Malthouse would take us on unless he felt there was a very good chance of ultimate success. On the field I mean.

Navy Blue Horse · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:39 pm **Posts:** 15848

Effes wrote:

judd2fev wrote:

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Effes wrote:

Why can't the new coach be an untried coach?

Voss says hello :lol:

And Ross Lyon, Clarkson, Scott, Scott, Sanderson....all untried coaches.

Why can't this !@#$%& club do things properly for a change???

Is approaching someone universally regarded to be the best available coaci in Australia really amateurish?

Effes · **Posted:** Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:57 pm

Navy Blue Horse wrote:

universally regarded to be the best available coaci in Australia

Universal? Has the entire football community said he's the best available? Or the media? Or the MM PR machine?

camel · **Posted:** Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:45 pm

Braithy wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Collingwood are getting their business ideas from Barcelona.... NY GIANTS or what have you...

Different mentality

Funny you mention that. Remember when we were visiting Real Madrid and going on fact finding missions there.

A team renowned for buying its success and perennially disappointing its fans with the richest payroll in world sport.

Can you explain to me how the draft and salary cap works in European football?

camel · **Posted:** Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:46 pm

Now Mick has his stooges pushing his barrow...

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-pre ... 6459975424

Might be better if Ratts calls in sick this weekend.

woof · **Joined:** Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:51 am **Posts:** 4919

camelboy wrote:

Now Mick has his stooges pushing his barrow...

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-pre ... 6459975424

Might be better if Ratts calls in sick this weekend.

How would you expect him to answer the question that was put to him about Malthouse?

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17210

camelboy wrote:

Can you explain to me how the draft and salary cap works in European football?

Wrong thread Camel, but here goes...

http://fantasy.premierleague.com/

:wink:

Braithy · **Joined:** Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm **Posts:** 6896

camelboy wrote:

Braithy wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Collingwood are getting their business ideas from Barcelona.... NY GIANTS or what have you...

Different mentality

Funny you mention that. Remember when we were visiting Real Madrid and going on fact finding missions there.

A team renowned for buying its success and perennially disappointing its fans with the richest payroll in world sport.

Can you explain to me how the draft and salary cap works in European football?

From what I recall a lot of the Visy elite training facility fitout was based on Real's set up?

Maybe if european football had a draft and salary cap we would have also learnt how not to cheat, and how to draft?

camel · **Posted:** Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:29 pm

Braithy wrote:

From what I recall a lot of the Visy elite training facility fitout was based on Real's set up?

Right, so we agree there's still a lot to learn about how a club manages and develops its players, regardless of how they're recruited?

Therefore the relevance of the comment about Real buying their success (players) is, what exactly?

camel · **Posted:** Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:35 pm

woof wrote:

camelboy wrote:

Now Mick has his stooges pushing his barrow...

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-pre ... 6459975424

Might be better if Ratts calls in sick this weekend.

How would you expect him to answer the question that was put to him about Malthouse?

On re-reading that article it actually looks pretty good, but I'm sure I read comments from him that went into a lot more detail about Malthouse's abilities etc. Maybe I've crossed some wires, but that article seems to different to what I first remember reading???

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:43 pm

Not sure Woosha is considered MMs stooge either Camel.
Pretty sure their relationship has been quite bumpy.

Braithy · **Joined:** Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm **Posts:** 6896

camelboy wrote:

Braithy wrote:

From what I recall a lot of the Visy elite training facility fitout was based on Real's set up?

Right, so we agree there's still a lot to learn about how a club manages and develops its players, regardless of how they're recruited?

Therefore the relevance of the comment about Real buying their success (players) is, what exactly?

We (CFC) hang our hat on the fact we're the most successful premiership winning team. Most of which we bought.

Maybe instead of heading over to Real Madrid, a club where we probably already could already identify ourselves with. A club that perhaps couldn't teach us what we needed to know?

Instead, they could have looked at a club like Southampton and what they're doing to develop their own talent? Or look at a competitive club like Everton who manage success for years on end despite having a big payroll?

Or if they really wanted to make sense and learn something, head over to the NFL and have a good look at the ground up at drafting, salary cap management and success.

Pittsburgh, New England, Green Bay and NYG etc are perennially successful on and off the field.

It's like every thing CFC does is not overly thought out. Or would you disagree with that assessment?

Goltzenberg · **Posted:** Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:18 pm

I like his quote 'if he doesn't coach next year, he won't coach anymore.' Is this guy looking for a one year term? two year term? three year term? 4 year term?

If the guy can't commit to a 3 year term, he can flower off. He has a old game plan that has reached its use by date. Around the boundary line / forward press isn't working anymore since 2010 for the Pies. Geelong smashed his gameplan in 2011. Has he got something else up his sleeve? It takes more than 2-3 years to implement a different gameplan. He knows Carlton are very close to a flag, otherwise he wouldn't consider it with the existing playing group.

Look at West coast, two years ago WCE were on bottom with a injury plagued list, where are they now?. Worsfold is a great coach now, but if he was at Carlton he would of got sacked that year. Sticks around, gets the club up and now in top 4. Funny that.

Put the club in more debt for a filthy ex collingwood coach or give a blue boy one more year with a healthy list next season, who has proven that when he has the cattle on the park he can make this team a premiership favourite before injuries?

kingkerna · **Posted:** Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:25 pm

Braithy wrote:

camelboy wrote:

Braithy wrote:

From what I recall a lot of the Visy elite training facility fitout was based on Real's set up?

Right, so we agree there's still a lot to learn about how a club manages and develops its players, regardless of how they're recruited?

Therefore the relevance of the comment about Real buying their success (players) is, what exactly?

We (CFC) hang our hat on the fact we're the most successful premiership winning team. Most of which we bought.Maybe instead of heading over to Real Madrid, a club where we probably already could already identify ourselves with. A club that perhaps couldn't teach us what we needed to know?

Instead, they could have looked at a club like Southampton and what they're doing to develop their own talent? Or look at a competitive club like Everton who manage success for years on end despite having a big payroll?

Or if they really wanted to make sense and learn something, head over to the NFL and have a good look at the ground up at drafting, salary cap management and success.

Pittsburgh, New England, Green Bay and NYG etc are perennially successful on and off the field.

It's like every thing CFC does is not overly thought out. Or would you disagree with that assessment?

Braithy the highlighted part is complete garbage!

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