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Blue Sombrero
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:34 am 
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If Cripps walks, it would be a terrible thing for the club but I wouldn't blame him if w are still 12th at the end of next season.
We have a year to improve to the point where his decision is easier to make.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:02 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Stranger wrote:
The player I would like to get would be Darcy Moore just as good as any back line
player in the comp


And yet he was moved forward last week to hide him while Josh Kennedy was tearing them apart. :?

Foxfooty showed a graphic yesterday detailing games lost to injury this year. It's no surprise that the 4 teams with the least games lost to injury fill 4 of the top 5 spots on the AFL ladder. Carlton have the 5th most games missed.
We have backline KP depth. We just need to get games into them. Darcy Moore would be at the bottom of my shopping list.


Have to agree with BV. Seriously least of our problem position.
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jamespul65
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:59 pm 
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if cripps goes back home we should do a wce two early picks and a player . IF
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rhino27
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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jamespul65 wrote:
if cripps goes back home we should do a wce two early picks and a player . IF


I don't want to trade Cripps and I don't want him to go.
However, if at the end of this year he tells us that he is likely to exercise his right as a free agent in 12 months time, we have to consider a trade this year where we'll get a lot more than whatever compo pick we'd get by losing him as a free agent.
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HTP
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Bit of damage control from the club?

https://www.afl.com.au/news/481089/afte ... or-carlton

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Paddycripps
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:36 am 
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I, like most am a Cripps fan but I'm starting to have concerns the current list isn't good enough so, and I can't believe I am saying this , I wouldn't be dismayed completely if we lost him and got a great bounty in return. I also worry with Cripps and Carlton there is what I call a Judd / Buckley effect where the other mids don't develop enough as they expect the great man to do the heavy lifting.
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Paddycripps
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:45 am 
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Our CEO says it's time to bed in the list and not make so many changes to the list . He obviously rates the list better than I do. Granted there is a lot of youth most of which you would want to keep at this stage. But I'm not sure the list is GREAT. We lack a small defender , a small forward, probably 2 mid age mids, a tall defender, a running HBF.
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Paddycripps
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:47 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Stranger wrote:
The player I would like to get would be Darcy Moore just as good as any back line
player in the comp


And yet he was moved forward last week to hide him while Josh Kennedy was tearing them apart. :?

Foxfooty showed a graphic yesterday detailing games lost to injury this year. It's no surprise that the 4 teams with the least games lost to injury fill 4 of the top 5 spots on the AFL ladder. Carlton have the 5th most games missed.
We have backline KP depth. We just need to get games into them. Darcy Moore would be at the bottom of my shopping list.


Have to agree with BV. Seriously least of our problem position.

We don't have depth in key backs, not in terms of assuring the future. Jones is old now and a turnover machine. Marchbank is injury prone. Goddard is slow. Mcreadie has done nothing.

The no.1 pick is the only one I rate in terms of talent and ability to stay on the park.
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Brently8
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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I had a listen to that Cain Liddle interview. He did say that we probably have the key forward positions sewn up but we would be looking to improve the entire rest of the gorund.
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dannyboy
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its swap cards time

lets swap this card (rare but I've looked at it enough) for those two sight unseen cards...isn't this how we got in this shithole in the first place?

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Blue Vain
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Paddycripps wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Stranger wrote:
The player I would like to get would be Darcy Moore just as good as any back line
player in the comp


And yet he was moved forward last week to hide him while Josh Kennedy was tearing them apart. :?

Foxfooty showed a graphic yesterday detailing games lost to injury this year. It's no surprise that the 4 teams with the least games lost to injury fill 4 of the top 5 spots on the AFL ladder. Carlton have the 5th most games missed.
We have backline KP depth. We just need to get games into them. Darcy Moore would be at the bottom of my shopping list.


Have to agree with BV. Seriously least of our problem position.

We don't have depth in key backs, not in terms of assuring the future. Jones is old now and a turnover machine. Marchbank is injury prone. Goddard is slow. Mcreadie has done nothing.

The no.1 pick is the only one I rate in terms of talent and ability to stay on the park.


It's about priority.
We have plenty of other areas to address before we worry about key defenders

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jamespul65
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:33 pm 
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cain little says bed list not many changes. Mention all these kids until they play senior footy for ablock of at least 3/4 games how do we decide at the moment they are only draft choices
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CK95
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Paddycripps wrote:
I, like most am a Cripps fan but I'm starting to have concerns the current list isn't good enough so, and I can't believe I am saying this , I wouldn't be dismayed completely if we lost him and got a great bounty in return. I also worry with Cripps and Carlton there is what I call a Judd / Buckley effect where the other mids don't develop enough as they expect the great man to do the heavy lifting.



You'd have to change usernames...

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Paddycripps
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:21 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Stranger wrote:
The player I would like to get would be Darcy Moore just as good as any back line
player in the comp


And yet he was moved forward last week to hide him while Josh Kennedy was tearing them apart. :?

Foxfooty showed a graphic yesterday detailing games lost to injury this year. It's no surprise that the 4 teams with the least games lost to injury fill 4 of the top 5 spots on the AFL ladder. Carlton have the 5th most games missed.
We have backline KP depth. We just need to get games into them. Darcy Moore would be at the bottom of my shopping list.


Have to agree with BV. Seriously least of our problem position.

We don't have depth in key backs, not in terms of assuring the future. Jones is old now and a turnover machine. Marchbank is injury prone. Goddard is slow. Mcreadie has done nothing.

The no.1 pick is the only one I rate in terms of talent and ability to stay on the park.


It's about priority.
We have plenty of other areas to address before we worry about key defenders


Yes agreed , small defender, small forward, proven quality mid, rebounding defender, key defender .
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bluechampion
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:46 pm 
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Interesting that the talk this week is about consolidating our list and allowing the players we have to get opportunities.

We potentially have everything we need on the list now: it's mostly going to be about opportunity and development:

small defender: Stocker
small forward: Honey / Philp
proven quality mid: Dow / Kemp
rebounding defender: O'Brien
key defender: B. Silvagni
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Blue Vain
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:56 pm 
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Honey and Philp are midfielders, not small forwards.
Small forward is a specialist role. SOS found out the hard way (to our detriment) that you can't just turn someone into a small forward. You need the agility, instinct and goal sense to be successful.

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bondiblue
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:25 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Honey and Philp are midfielders, not small forwards.
Small forward is a specialist role. SOS found out the hard way (to our detriment) that you can't just turn someone into a small forward. You need the agility, instinct and goal sense to be successful.


Agree. You just can't train instinctive behaviour.

Philp turned on the form as an inside mid blessed with express speed after he was overlooked for selection in the Carnival. He took his god given attributes for granted before that.

Honey is another who can win his own ball in the heat of battle and use his pace to get out of trouble. He has shown good goal sense playing HF. At 186cm he's not a small forward.

Butler is a small forward :grin:

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rhino27
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:39 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Honey and Philp are midfielders, not small forwards.
Small forward is a specialist role. SOS found out the hard way (to our detriment) that you can't just turn someone into a small forward. You need the agility, instinct and goal sense to be successful.


Agree. You just can't train instinctive behaviour.

Philp turned on the form as an inside mid blessed with express speed after he was overlooked for selection in the Carnival. He took his god given attributes for granted before that.

Honey is another who can win his own ball in the heat of battle and use his pace to get out of trouble. He has shown good goal sense playing HF. At 186cm he's not a small forward.

Butler is a small forward :grin:


Whether he ultimately makes it or not is debatable, but is it worth giving Owies a handful of games to see what he is capable of?
When we did have a genuine reserves competition last year, he seemed to impact the scoreboard in a lot of games he played in.
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jamespul65
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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give owies a chance / watching a game on tv and some player (forgot team) was playing and he was 4 rd pick in rookie draft.
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Blue4ever
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Both Wines and Papley have lifted again in 2020, lifting their value and making it more difficult to trade for.

Essendon* really keen on Wines, I'll spew if he gets there.
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