His record speaks for himself. I am not anti Carlton thats just damn rude. In Europe where real professionalism exists, we would be a laughing stock.

Basically there is a golden rule - if you havent lost the players and the players enjoy your game plan then you don't sack the manager. Finding good young managers that have players on side are too hard to find.

A golden rule the club has broken that you rarely see in other professional sports. The best example given is Pocchetino from Tottenhaam was given time to build his squad to compete at the elite level..he competed hard but failed to win silverware - after five years he was sacked. That was the correct call - he didnt lose the players and had players on side. But Tottenham grew sponsorship exponentially due the culture the club fostered.

If you cant see we are five years behind Bulldogs, Melbourne, Geelong, Hawthorn, Richmond etc then you can borrow my glasses.

Camel,

Any chance we can divert some of the money from the sponsorship drive and buy Mr Walsh a one way ticket to Europe. His love of the 'Great Game' knows no bounds and with his apparent skill set, he would provide an immediate boost to any statistician team.

Just a thought.

Win, win for all.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Well you dont see in Europe very often people attacking the man and not the argument - it spells the quality of the individual which you have none. There is an argument there why don't you try to tackle it.

Low level Barrel.. besides when I was growing up in Carlton I attended every game at Princes Park while my father was a professional sportsman. Who are you? You cant tackle nor handle a simple argument without personal insults.

Not as much as you understate bondi

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

Sayers would be seen as an idiot in Europe - sorry to say. Too many people are involved in professional sports over there not to notice his actions where non transparent and agenda driven.

In Europe when a manager takes a job he is told outright in mid range leagues. "Top five by mid season or renewal is not possible" - over there salary budget dictates where you end up on the ladder and even then it's super tough to entice the right people. We had translators, nutritionists, home buddies and what not. We had a German coach that spoke bad English and had to tell him to speak German so translators knows what he is saying....and this Sayers guy is going half cocked because he doesn't like the game plan? Fair enough I reckon... but in these situations you must give them a chance to bring his players in. Because who knows it might be revolutionary especially with injury list... but that will forever remain a mystery now - and that never happens in a professional environment. Yeah I guess Europeans are more switched on.

Walsh who's your preference now that DT is gone?

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A young coach with fresh ideas and give him a 3 + 2 year contract.

three years to fine tune game plan and bring players in that suits his game plan and two years to build cohesion between players and play finals.

Need to give them time - flower sakes. Only hard work will get us out of this mess.

Three years is necessary - fourth and fifth year is where finals push really happens.

A senior experienced coach costs more and therefore you demand more - but it is all the same vanilla stuff and could go backwards just as fast.

He's said it many times

JUERGEN KLOPP

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Congratulations CK95

When did we offer leppa the job? Article saying we've been rejected AGAIN. The thing is I can't see anywhere where we've offered him the job or even asked him to apply for it. How could we have been rejected AGAIN? Someone please explain this to me.

I'm sure we would have enquired but he's directly quoted yesterday saying he decided he's not currently interested in being a senior coach and it's nothing against Carlton

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@bondiblue its not about winning. Ive faced a lot of criticism in the last 10 days for my views. I am simply expressing my frustration at this footy club.

We have form. In malthouses last season, we publically announced a rebuild in round 2. We declared his last season over before it began. We sacked mick 8 weeks later. The boys were lifeless on field.

I saw us repeating that mistake with the review. We declared a year before it was truly over and got wavering performances as the pressure mounted.

Thing is that turmoil would have existed already. We all knew lo giudice was out come end of season, and the rhetoric about Teague going started early when our record was poor 3 and 9 was something that I accepted as possible when we had lost 2 games and looked at the fixture.

Its a pattern that plays out at out club and its defined by our culture. We get into a position and then decide that things aren't working and rather than digging in we allow the pressure to amplify. Im not sure about this modus operandi as it puts people in self preservation mode. All of a sudden getting wins is more important than doing the right thing (Murphy to 300 is seen to be a point of weakness but I think if you look after your players, they will look after you).

Change itself isn't the issue, because there are factors involved that are harder to measure from the outside. So we go looking at things and cling to signs of why someone was moved on, like playing Murphy instead of a kid, or 5 goal run ons.

Leigh matthews came out with a statement when he was coaching Brisbane. Footy is a simple game. First to 100 points wins. Stats show this is true 97% of the time. Its also bullshit because teams don't score 100 points every week anymore, but it s a pressure valve release. Games not over until your opposition scores 100 points.

Anyway, until our club works out that these scenarios are more club defining than we think they are, we won't get further.

Back on topic. Im no Teague apologist. I think he might have done ok, but don't think he had the right amount of time to iron out inconsistencies in his game plan. I mean 10 of his games were about resetting after Bolton left and getting the players in a better headspace to attack games head on, and then we had the covid season which meant that the focus was a bit different and 2020 was marred by uncertainty. In essence covid hit at precisely the wrong time for an immature list and an immature coach. Better teams than ours showed covid cracks more than we did (West Coast being one).

Whats done is done though. Can't change it and I still respect the decision because a new president, potentially new ceo, new football department manager and then a new senior coach means you get people on boarding together and its something that plays out when you get senior leadership changes in almost all walks of life. The quicker it happens the better.

So now that all that has been said, we can get back on topic. Its becoming increasingly apparent to me, that the experienced coach handover to an apprentice in waiting is yielding better results than any other setup (of course that is a dependant on what the senior coach wants to do as mick and clarko didn't work in a forced environment with pressure). Paul roos into a coach in waiting is my preference.

Thing is in about 2 to 3 years when pressure mounts on the back of some undesirable results that's when we get tested to see if we can back our man in despite the downfalls.

With you analytical skill set do you not see the irony here. You have personally been attacking the following for weeks and weeks on end because you have a difference of opinion..........

Sayers
The Board
Lloyd
Liddle
All the Midfielders

and basically anyone who is not David Teague.

All of your bile has been spewed forth at these folks ad-nauseam. Teague is 2 weeks into a well deserved holiday and you are still @#$%ing banging on and on like a religious zealot.

The arguments 'for and against' Teague have been done to death. Teague's demise is simply real life in action i.e. someone above him decided he wasn't up to his job so they sacked him. That's what bosses do at times, they sack people. Right or wrong it is still their prerogative and they will be judge by their actions in the future.

Why did you never make it to the top of the tree in Soccer in Europe? Because someone decided there were others that were better. That's life.

How about you show us the well rounded, educated person you are, and move on with life.

If you were half as smart as you expect us all to believe, you would suck it up and move you immense brain power onto the Drafting/Trading debates. They are most certainly the Master Debates you would be good at.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Typical low level idiocy. I have never attacked Lloyd and Liddle thats your delusion and never attacked the midfield its the one glaring weakness on the list past 10 years - the players rotating through there are not good enough its not an attack it's an actual statistical fact. I have attacked Sayers because I don't rate him and follow Carlton and not this idiot. You make things up as you go along perhaps stick to what the argument is rather than going half cocked.

Problem is the midfield ruck included. I think it's simple if you can't halve the contest in the middle then we are going to be losing more games than winning them. Other problem is Sayers has already made a statement and overrated the list. Having 4-5 uber good players doesn't make a good list. He is as deluded as you are.

Righto Walsh, I didn't see my post as being slight at all, I though I was being quite direct in my opinions.
I guess asking for real evidence to back up some of your outlandish posts was a little too much.

Back up what post - you immediately turned it personal. This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world.

He's got you there Sidefx. Apparently they never have media mud slinging, team managers fighting on the sidelines, fake fouls, fans killing players, mass internet trolling or large fan fights inside and outside the stadiums in Europe.

I guess they are all to busy drinking tea with their pinky sticking out.

Walshy do you not think we read the papers and see the sports TV news articles on European sports.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Back up what post - you immediately turned it personal. This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world.[/quote]

That’s a bit racist….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FModQrp8pQ4

The Beautiful Games Culture on display.

Regards Cazzesman

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