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bmaurizio · **Joined:** Thu May 05, 2005 10:49 am **Posts:** 1623

Menzel_Mayhem wrote:

Teague again impressed me with how he spoke to the team re. Deluca’s Debut. He seems like a non-authoritarian leader, essentially a true leader, rather than a micro manager. Plus his CV is fantastic.

Yup spoke well re De Luca’s opportunity , David has an interesting personality unobtrusive slightly laconic but seems to interact well with players has their respect.
This opportunity to be interim coach has been a true revelation.
I liked his approach so far, will be interesting to see tactical skills and team’s dedication, determination to win when we meet the difficult squad of Crows, Eagles, Tigers and Cats.

bender · **Posted:** Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:28 am

bmaurizio wrote:

Menzel_Mayhem wrote:

Teague again impressed me with how he spoke to the team re. Deluca’s Debut. He seems like a non-authoritarian leader, essentially a true leader, rather than a micro manager. Plus his CV is fantastic.

Yup spoke well re De Luca’s opportunity , David has an interesting personality unobtrusive slightly laconic but seems to interact well with players has their respect.
This opportunity to be interim coach has been a true revelation.
I liked his approach so far, will be interesting to see tactical skills and team’s dedication, determination to win when we meet the difficult squad of Crows, Eagles, Tigers and Cats.

if we win all four of those, they should knight him. but if we put in a good showing, and possibly pinch a game or two - adelaide and bitchmond are possible, then surely he should get the gig

eve 4 close losses should give hima good chance. four thumpings, however, and one would think he would get overlooked

i like him, and would be happy to have him coach over lyon, scott, voss and roos

murraycray · **Posted:** Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:34 am

The Normal One wrote:

murraycray wrote:

I agree that this GC game is very important re Teague's chances of getting the gig full time.
But, history tells us Ratts had 6 games left to navigate when he took over from Denis.
Didn't win any !!!
But still got the gig at season's end.
Where that points now to IHNFI.
But as I'm now in the Teague camp I hope like hell we win this.

Wasn’t Ratts measured on ‘losing’ to get the job and a high draft pick? ;-)

Yeah, you're right, I forgot about that....Doh

kingkerna · **Posted:** Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:00 pm

jake_h03 wrote:

moshe25 wrote:

jake_h03 wrote:

......Looking back at the last 20 years, the only coaches I can think of who have won premierships at a second club are Malthouse and Matthews...

Out of how many?

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Pagan
Sheedy
Matthews
Williams
Roos
Worsfold
Thompson
Clarkson
Malthouse
Scott
Longmire
Beveridge
Hardwick
Simpson

2 out of 14 in the past 20 years by my calcs

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How many were coaching second teams that missed out is the real question

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TrueQldBlue · **Posted:** Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:04 am

I may backflip on my comments as David Teague is really continuing to impress me.....

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23921

Teaguey you beauty will
Be on Game Day
This morning.

murraycray · **Posted:** Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:25 am

I think we've probably seen enough to say Teague will be a good senior coach, maybe even a very good senior coach.
So for him to get our gig, in my view, wouldn't be buying a pig in a poke, I reckon he would do the job admirably.
But, Carlton wouldn't be the only club assessing him. Other clubs will be looking for a new coach in the future. Melbourne springs to mind.
If we don't appoint him and he goes elsewhere and rips it up, it would be opportunity lost for the Blues.
Again !

kingkerna · **Posted:** Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:15 pm

Ratts says hi, from memory we sacked him after an 11/11 season. Don't disregard

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AGRO · **Posted:** Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:17 pm

Is there a change my vote button?

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aboynamedsue · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm **Posts:** 6047

Judging a coach from outside a club is risky business. What measure do we use? Win/loss? Is that really a reliable measure from a sample of 5 games?

Do any of us know how much of our recent onfield improvement is because of Teague? Maybe a lot, or maybe sacking Bolts was simply the circuit breaker our talented players needed to change their mindset? Can any of us point to a reason why we would not have had the same success (well, relative success) if, say, Dale Amos had been appointed caretaker?

Should we judge Teague by his media performances? How a coach ‘sells’ the club’s messages is important, but how much weight do we give it in determining who our next senior coach should be?

We hear the players want him to stay on. How much weight do we give that? What else would you expect them to say about their current coach? Didn’t they tell us a couple of years ago how great Bolts is? Should players really have much say in who the coach is?

I’m by no means anti-Teague; in fact, I like him. I hope we finish the year strongly and he is appointed after a rigorous and competitive process from a pool of outstanding candidates. But some of you are latching onto him very quickly, based on limited information.

Whether we like it or not, the people making the decision have access to a lot more information regarding the candidates, our players and the inside workings of an AFL club in 2019. We really have no choice but to trust in the process.

kingkerna · **Posted:** Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:12 pm

I think we can agree who we don't want and I actually believe the club would be aware of the "mood" of the supporter base, particularly when it comes to someone like Lyon.

Yeah I'm being wishful

If Clarkson is out of the question it's Ratts, Teague....... Daylight Voss.

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grrofunger · **Posted:** Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:17 pm

Teague daylight Clarkson Ratten daylight everyone else

Think that’s the only 3 most of the fans want.

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17216

aboynamedsue wrote:

Whether we like it or not, the people making the decision have access to a lot more information regarding the candidates, our players and the inside workings of an AFL club in 2019. We really have no choice but to trust in the process.

Spot on abns. I've been critical of the decision makers, but it's not just about footy. The club has already seen the effect a senior coaching position can have on a relatively young man with a young family. Ratts was 36 when he took the reigns. Had a young family and it took him a long time to find a balance. Teague is 38. He has a very young family and has to make sure that this will work for them as much as it will work for him.

I think that decision has already been conveyed to the club, as they have to give the assistant coaches an idea of what the clubs intentions are for 2020 by August 1. If Teague gets the gig, expect the bulk of the assistants to stay.

That said, I have a hard time believing they've given up hope of getting Clarkson.

BigGartos · **Joined:** Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:25 pm **Posts:** 925

Heard Michael Gibbons speak today (very well too). Very grateful to Bolts for the chance and commented maybe his journey resonated with Bolts.
Found Bolts departure a bit of a shock but got no sense he wasn't happy with the new situation.

Bluey44 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:41 pm

aboynamedsue wrote:

Do any of us know how much of our recent onfield improvement is because of Teague? Maybe a lot, or maybe sacking Bolts was simply the circuit breaker our talented players needed to change their mindset? Can any of us point to a reason why we would not have had the same success (well, relative success) if, say, Dale Amos had been appointed caretaker?

Exactly...!
This is the big question imo. This is where the board has to earn their keep.

How much of it is due to Teague, and how much of it is due to a fresh start?

The fans are rightly happy notching some wins on the board... But can Teague win us a flag?
Board needs to think in long term interests of club...

I would love it if they seek out some insights from coaching selection panels who have managed to hit home runs... Clarkson and Adam Simpson were great selections imo.
Adelaide hasn't fared too badly either with past two selections.

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17216

That's Chris Judd's responsibility. Bit out of his depth I'm afraid...

SPS_5 · **Joined:** Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:55 pm **Posts:** 408

DocSherrin III wrote:

That's Chris Judd's responsibility. Bit out of his depth I'm afraid...

He was a great player but there's just some elements of his character that don't sit well with me.

I remember during his playing days he always used to make a point about how footy is nothing and it won't be a part of his life once he finished, and yet here he is with multiple fingers in the pie.

Champion player and an on field legend but he's becoming like Kernahan mk.2 off field.

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:50 am

It will be interesting to see where this discussion goes over the next 5 weeks
we have about as tough a run as you can get leading to the end of the year and could lose them all
will Teague still be the front runner if this happens .
for his sake I hope we win a few more because he appears to be doing everything right thus far

bmaurizio · **Joined:** Thu May 05, 2005 10:49 am **Posts:** 1623

Yup definitely a strong challenge ahead for Teaugy , team and supporters , it will be a definitive period, keep our fingers crossed we bring home another 2 wins , with good efforts in the other games
It should just about do it get David across the line.

camel · **Posted:** Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:05 am

No hidden messages from Clarkson in here while he's giving Ratts a pat on the back…

Alastair Clarkson endorses Brett Ratten to return to senior coaching ranks
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-20 ... adc9df7552

Quote:

“He’s been ready to coach ever since he left Carlton, really,” Hawthorn coach Clarkson said on SEN.

“He should have never been out of it. But that’s the brutal nature of our game.

“I just hope he gets another opportunity because he’s a great footy brain, a great footy person and a great fella to boot. And he made a great contribution to our club.”

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