Ratts delivred to us one eliminational final win and his last season we were rolled by powerhouse sides like port and GC... thats where were at.....and will never be a head coach ever again...


How many under 25s in our BnF top 10????

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Besides Surrey... i dont get your point...

Are you saying Ratts is a better coach than Malthouse?



Youre happy with nothingness over 120 games of Ratten ???

Contending to you means one elim final win???

What are you saying exactly????

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Common Synbad.
Ratten had 5 years with the club. 1st years we finished 11. Next 3 years we played finals. Last year we missed because of excuses as you put it. Ok.
Shit coach then - 3 years of finals out of 5 tells me Malthouse will have no excuses, unless ofcourse your worried Malthouse is not better than Ratten and doesn't deserve to have replaced him.
My logic tells me that Ratten (such a shit coach as you say) had us playing finals footy nearly top4 until last year with this list, Maltouse should therefore win a premiership!
I'm sorry if you don't agree or don't want to agree but then the facts.

Surrey.....

Gibbs Murphy etc are middle aged footballers.. not kids.

Juddy was a young man at Carlton now hes getting long in the tooth.
Guys that Ratts identified as future AA footballers are no longer at the club.

We lost to GC and Port

We wont one eliim final.

We have a stack of players for some spots and thin in others.

Thats his legacy.

These things need to be addressed.

Any other kind of thinking is ridiculous.

Geelong collingwood and Hawthorn all improved their stocks.

We had Ellard Joselph Davies etc all tied up on contracts... guys noone would take....

Thats the reality...... more of this would have been like throwing ourselves off the cliff.

Alot of our players only have known Ratts as their coach... the vast majority of players know nothing but Ratten coaching methodology.


Its very funny if it hadnt have happened to us.....


We won one elim final ... that was against Essendon* a side noone expected in the finals ....

We have a shocking record against so many clubs.

The salary cap is maxed out.. and we cant even go for anything but first year players....

Ultimately what Ratts Sticksand Co have done to this club is something that will take a while to shake off.

What we need is some belief... get the talented layers to begin fulfilling their potential.. and find some leadership in this group .... and get a game plan where the players can believe they can win more than 3 games in a row...

When we have done all that...... we might be in a position to really challenge.

While we have been sleeping... other teams have been busy bolstering the mselves....

We didnt put daylight between ourselves and the pack... as a matter of fact we have fallen out of the better part of the pack...
Our players have been stiffled... and the club was not going anywhere......
We didnt make the finals cos we couldnt beat Port and GC.. thats a memo to you Surrey... and to Ratts....

Or do you think thats cos of injuries???

We gave more than 5 years to a coach.. noone else would even look at....

Mr stall

im not worried MM will not reach Rattens dizzy height.... im just spewing Ratten was given so long with this team... and now we have to undo all his harm

He couldnt build a leadership group in over 5 years

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Mick was on SEN this morning and was asked to explain the lack of activity during trade week.

His answer, salary cap constraints and certain players on contracts.

Going forward, different game plan and different roles for certain players.

..agreed, there's time required to reprogram our list.. ..ppl need to appreciate what needs to be done with our playing list in regards to coaching.. ..our list isn't that bad, provided we play ppl in their proper positions and have structures and set plays that everyone understands and buys into..

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was on radio and TV this morning, with Christie, I found it embarassing stuff,

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Yeah well, that's all over now.
Judgement Day awaits and I have my blue war paint and kilt by my side.

Why do YOU find it embrassing?

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Those complaining about him, read his new book. He is a very passionate man, who really believes and stands by family and also really values someones character. Wears his heart on his sleeve and is very sensitive, which is why he shows his emotion so much.

I am very looking forward to what he can bring to Carlton.

Why do some of you have to be so negative. You want Ratten, why ? cause he is a past Carlton champion.

Malthouse may not have won as many premierships as you thought he would, but read his book and you will see what he was up against, and also the success he did bring to the organisations he worked with, you understand him as a person a lot more, rather than the snippets you see before or after a game..

I've read more passivity than pragmatism in your recent posts. You can maintain calm and order but you still have to act. As a matter of fact, I think most of the angst has been pretty sensible and to the point. Is your issue that we have acted up a year too early? I'd say it has been five years too late.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

However, I would have thought that we'd been waiting long enough with this list. I thought MM was brought to the club because we were after premierships, the inference being that the window was still 'now' (well, next year). The list is "good enough", see.

It's either changes or premiership, it can (and should) be both but it can't be neither.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Premierships arent an automatic thing anymore.

What you must do is conjure up a side from perennial underachivers into a tea thats a top 4 side.
If you do that youre a chance.

There is no way we were top 4 anything under Ratten.

Leadership wasnt coming through.
Naive gameplan.
Players were not playing to their potential.
Losing winnable games at crucial rounds.
Terrible list management... where other teams seem to be ontop of theirs....

Lets get the guts right... and we might have a chance at a shot.

Silly to believe a guy can walk in and clean up after someone else all in a short time.

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IMHO he's perfect for us right now. Watched the replay of Rd 3 win over the Filth the other day....reckon Mick has something to work with too

Spot on analysis of where we are at Synbad.

We're not a top 4 team that took a one year dip because of injuries ... we haven't been real contenders since 2000 ... that's 12 years! Malthouse needs to improve us, get us consistently into top 4 and then we can start thinking of premierships - this might take more than a single season. The losses against Port, Gold Coast and St Kilda proved to me that the coaching group and list had gone as far as they could go ... thank god we lost those last 2 games and forced the hand of the powers that be.

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Briefly spoke to MM earlier today at a book signing session at Dymocks. He sounded geniunely excited about Carlton and when I said to him 'you have a bit of work to do Mick' his response was very positive, Said he was more than happy with things and was expecting a good season. He also mentioned that he had just come from the club where he had spent the last 2.5 hours in a meeting. Didn't mention with whom/or about what, but did say that it was 'a very very good meeting'.

MM looks refreshed, positive and 'cant wait to get into things' (Christie's words not mine).

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So why didn't we get Goddard?!

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There's been discussion here on Ratten, the part injuries played, game plan, that first win against Collingwood.

Two questions:

1. Do people think that if we played the way we did in round 3 v Collingwood throughout the season, without the horrendous injury run, that we'd have finished top 4? Won finals? Made the GF?

2. If Ratten was a 2 time B&F, 2 time premiership player for, say, Essendon*, would Carlton supporters' attitude towards him have been different?

For me, as exciting the football was in that win over Collingwood, that style of football doesn't win the big finals. Teams like Sydney, Hawthorn, Adelaide and Freo shut it down, and there's nothing to fall back on. This is what Adelaide and St Kilda did early in the season, before injuries really took their toll. Sure, we would have won more games, and made finals, and maybe even finished top 4. But I don't think that was going to win the tough finals against the teams that play hard, contested footy. Look at the Haw v Coll final, that was as hard a game as you'll see. One thing that Malthouse will do is get back to defensive footy, contested footy...the kind of footy that consistently wins finals and GFs.

As for Ratten, I think he'd have copped the same as Matthew Knights did at Essendon* had he not been a son of the Navy Blue.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

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i went to mick's (and christi's) book signing in hobart and have to say that the five minutes i had chatting to them both has convinced me more than ever that he's the man for us (and christi will barrack for the blues).

and forget about him supposedly having no sense of humour - laughed his head off when i presented the book for signing (for my brother-in-law Murray who is a pies supporter). see below copy of the index page - christi wrote "hope it's true" in response to my suggestion for the next chapter.

hopefully this works

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nice

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.