but we are to bring in Waite and Fev (and soon Josh, oh soon) which is the real reason we lost - or do you think that we would have lost anyway? (ps not Bannister)

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but thats a different argument (it seems).

I'm not suggesting we leave out Fevola or Waite for Setanta.

Fevola's an experienced player.... but unlike Bannister, Fevola is a good player.

Of course you bring back your good players.

But the untalented mid-20 types in the squad should be the ones who make way for them, not the kids.

Put it this way Danny...... if Teague and DeLuca weren't playing and Waite and Fevola were.... we DEFINITELY would have been a better chance of winning..... WITH Russell and O'hAilpin in the 22.

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so you believe De Luca will never offer us anything - I am not convinced about this.

As for JR leave him in and drop Teague - I'll accept that one.

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No, DeLuca provides us something really important

A conversation point

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Let's face facts - some of the players on our list (and other teams for that fact) are just NOT UP to AFL standard! People keep saying that this person or that person is trying but what we must remember is that these boys are PROFESSIONAL footballers (they do nothing else) and get paid good money for their craft. Imagine at your work if you consistently fell short of the mark - I don't think that they would keep you on for the duration of your contract!!!!!

Agreed

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we all agree - the argument is which players.

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Dont drop setanta??....

The guy is simply not ready yet and will continue to struggle until he gets his confidence up and develops himself more as a player...

As for russell... i thought he showed a little and enough to suggest he's a capable player but will struggle to hold hids position for next week...

There is nothing gained in retaining a player in the side who is a liability....

Back to the drawing board for setanta!...

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Ok but if we drop Setanta to being in Prenda...
Or drop Russell to bring in Longmuire id spew!!!

Because we will be playing guys that are not part of the future.

Drop Setanta and bring in Bower i can swallow.
Drop Russell and bring in Blackwell.. that too i can swallow.. (different kind of swallow than Billy Drongos though)

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Setanta is a waste of space....... i couldn't help but feel embarrassed for the bloke he had no idea out there. Play the kid when he is ready or can read the play, because he looked like a bloke who grew up playing hurling and never kicked a footy, oh wait he did no wonder he played the way he did

I know what you mean by being embarrassed for Setanta BB. Setanta does seems to get a bit lost in this game (AFL and VFL), but I don't think bringing in blokes for one game is fair if we are trying to develop them, or if we're trying to find out what they have or haven't got.

I like to look at the positive things he has done over the last 2 years, including the Geelong NAB game, and even Saturday night. We need to see him when we have a stronger spine; Waite and Fev are perfect inclusions for him to gain confidence and deflect some of the attention. I also like the idea of trying them in different positions around the field to find a possible 'x' factor in them and not typecast and cage them like they have to 'burnt out' Livo at FB.

I can see him turn out like Waite, moreso than as a FP; if he's going to make it. He's a Utility and a Unit. I would like to see him played on a wing crunching, over reaching too! Then we'd have two panthas. Stop it! I'm indulging myself I guess, but in all honesty, I can see that he's developing much faster than Jimmy Stynes, so that's promising. He may solve our FB position in 1-2 years. Who knows. He's definetely an athlete first and a footballer second, but he has freakish physical attributes.

I think I've just been converted to a full on youth policy, and suggest we leave Russell and Setanta in for a couple more weeks, despite the fact that Bannister shits over them ATM, (and probably for the next 2 years).

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Surely keeping him in the team isn't going to help the team or him. He hasn't got it yet so allow him to find it at the bullants where I and most here really don't care about the result rather than in the 1's where I pay my money to watch the BEST side we can put on the park play

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I don't know whether it will help the team and him by including him. On Saturday's performance he probably will not help the team win in the short term.

Like you I want the best team in every week and I usually prefer the bigger bodied blokes like Bannister and Prenders instead of playing 18 and 19 yo kids to give us the best opportunity. But probably because I found myself defending Russell and Setantas' inclusion in my last post, I thought I must be converting to the youth policy.

Make them earn or burn?, that is the question.

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Embarassed for Setanta???

Before you take the splinter out of Setantas eye in the embarassment stakes howaout you take the plank out of your own.
Why be embarassed for someone who has done resoundingly well in two and a half years on the back of 100 mins of football???

You should take a good hard look at your 16 years of exisistence.
Setanta looked pretty lost out there on Friday night.. but its not like we made it easy for him.. and he has deserved his spot in the team.

Dont be embarassed for Setanta.. and youre the waste of space..

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Synbad...why did we draft Longmuir then? We knew he was injured and would offer us nothing last year, so surely he was seen as part of this years (and beyonds?) plans? I agree that we have some on our list that aren't up to AFL standard (and unfortunately averages dictate that some of the kids may eventually fall into that category) but i don't agree that Longmuir is one of them. The guy is blessed with a fair bit of talent and regularly stars the 2's. Why should we only not play him as he's not considered to be part of our next premiership, when he is a similar age to Saddington?

Playing as a marking forward for Carlton would have to be one of the hardest positions to play due to our game plan and the way we delievr to our forwards. Setanta needs to play back, similar to Walkers education, put him back and let him run hard, fast and straight and not worry about marking all the time.

Puting him on the ground for ten minutes and then drag him for ten and then back on again can't be good for his development. The poor bugger must be confused.

In Waite and Fevola
Out Teague and Deluca

Because were were stupid and make a shocking mistake.

Its like the Murray Vance issue. "But there must have been some reason why we picked Vance which makes things ok?"

yeah, the reason is: we thought he would be good, and he wasn't. And Longmuir isn't. Nor is Chambers. And Saddington probably isn't either, just like Bowyer, Johnson, Kenna and Mott before him. I wouldn't think Teague and Scotland have much of a future in the team after this season either.

We all want reasons... but the reality is we [REDACTED] up and drafted crap players who aren't any good.

Thats one of the reasons why we're the worst team in the league. We had a shit list when Pagan took over, and he's heaped on more shit in his time than he has substance.

Now, I know many of you will say "But Tyrant.... draft penalties etc etc". Fair enough. I'm not going to get into whether or not the strategy was right or not (IT WASN'T!!!!)... that argument is immaterial to the obvious fact that 99.9% of our retreads are no good

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He has been terrible all year. The feedback I've been hearing is that he can't wait for the season to end. Since Collins came out with those contract comments he has lost all interest. Not a bad return for someone we are paying a million dollars for

Setatnta - I think the experiment has failed. He is 23 years old and unfortunately hasn't had the up-bringing required to have the skills needed. Keep monitoring the situation during the year, but unless he's contracted next year, I'd let him go home and follow his local dream.

Russell - I'd leave him in again this week. Has great balance and will get up to speed with the game as he gets more chances. in two years he'll be a gun defender - no doubt.

Kouta - Should be used only where he can't be exploited for pace or mobility. Is still a great player in close with his strength but lacks in polish when needed. I'm in two minds whether to keep him on the list next year. He'd be well worth it for his experience alone at the right price.

Teague - Hopefully won't be needed again this year as he just doesn't have the skill and poise to be damaging .

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JR looked alright and will only get better, FEV, Waite and Kennedy in for Setanta, Deluca and Houlihan. Is anyone else sick of the turn overs he creates. Silky smooth skills, easy ball gets and high turnover rate. Move him on.