5-10 is the general consensus


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But now we have enough depth to cover


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I’ve got him just outside the top 10, but I rate some of the mids higher than the experts.

Jack Ison should hear his name called in the 30s.

If we do nothing between now & the draft, we’ve got everything in place to use a pick in between the two. Something like:

- Match bid on Dean, #9 goes, #11 slides,
- Use whatever #11 turns into,
- Match bid on Ison with the rest of the picks,
- Go home.

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

A week ago, Geelong offered us three first round draft picks for Charlie. CD responded on radio by saying something like “the offer isn’t as good as it sounds because those picks will end up being in the 20s, we rate Charlie more highly than that”.

But as of 7:30 last night, apparently three first rounders give us “unprecedented flexibility….”

The Swans will be a top team in 2026-27 (especially now with Charlie), so won’t those picks also be in the 20s…? Why did we backflip?

I know we also got Hayward, but that’s well and truly cancelled out by the 3 x second round picks we gave the Swans in the deal.

For the record, I would have been OK with the deal if it didn’t include us giving up #31 and #42.

#31 & #42 could have been traded to the Dogs for Khamis + a future third.

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

Ainsworth is starting 22 every day of the week.

Spot on


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I disagree about the Swans. I think they are overestimating their list with what they did yesterday.
They are a key defender short. Their other key defender may be one concussion short of early retirement.
They have backed their coach but its a huge gamble. The Swans 2026 F1st could easily end up being a top 10 pick to us.
You also missed this years first which was 11 as opposed to 19. Add to that Hayward is easily worth a late first rounder if the saints gave up pick 7 for Flanders.
The deal looks the equivalent of x 4 very good first round picks to me. All for a forward that has bung knees and doesn't want to be here. He has threatened to take the comp by the scruff of the neck for 10 years but hasn't. Im betting that wont change next year.
Besides, you need to know when to sell and when to fold your cards. The Demons look like muppets giving Oliver away for a 3rd rounder considering what was on offer last year. In past years we would not have traded Charlie. The new regime is a breath of fresh air.

ABNS. Normally like your takes.

Pick 11 is better than GFC's Pick 19 and Swans are no certainties to make the 8 any of the next 2 years. They weren't that good this year.

And who cares about 31 & 42? Yeh i would have liked Karmis too, but he's no world beater. I would prefer Swans 1st in 2027.

If you add up the points, assuming Swans finish 8th the next two years and we finish 010th, I reckon we got the equivalent of Pick 3 plus Hayward or Pick 1 if you value Hayward at Pick 20. Not bad for a 29 year old who rarely plays 22 games.

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Go Blues

Nobody seemed particularly excited about Khamis when his name first came up except as depth but now that we've missed out we've totally [REDACTED] it up.

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Agree GWS a nice to have but hardly essential a younger upgrade of McGovern

Sign up Mcgovern on low coin for another 12 months and that will be ok
Im glad we didnt sell the farm for him competent AFL footballer at best

Charlie just openly admitted in his interview that he would've requested a trade in 12 months again if he didn't get his way.

He's a spanner. Good riddance, well done on the club cashing in at max value.

Let me count it a different way.

We ended the last season with 46 players. We have lost 8 players to date (Docherty, Lemmey, Cincotta, Fantasia, TDK, JSOS, Durdin and Curnow). We have added 5 players (Reidy, Chesser, Ainsworth, Florent and Hayward). That leaves us with 43 players.

We can probably go to 45 as HOF will be on the LTI list for most of the season.

We have picks 9, 11, 43 and 54. If we keep the picks as they are we should be able to cover a Dean bid with most of Pick 9 (or 12 after academies). We'll need some of Pick 11 (or 14 after academies) which may slide to Pick 15 for our second pick. We need to use that on someone like Grlj, Marsh, Cumming or Greeves. Ison should be able to be covered by 43 and 54. So we should be looking at getting at least three players from the draft (e.g. Dean, Greeves and Ison). We could even pick up one more or leave it open.

So, we still need to delist at least two or maybe three players. That means guys without a contract like McGovern, F Young, White, Charleson (?) and others with a contract like E Hollands, Binns, Boyd and Fogarty will be looked at.

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Jagga

Not about Buku but .. spot on with the rest.

Exactly

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Jagga

I think he's 3 years younger. So we need them in 2029.

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Jagga

I was super keen on him all along. Disappointed we didn’t get it done


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Anyone who thinks Hayward & Ainsworth are going to Cover Charlie's Goals next year are kidding themselves!!

Hayward kicked 29 Goals
Ainsworth kicked 23 Goals

Those Two will be lucky to kick 15 each next year. Not because they are not capable nor good enough, but because they are playing for Carlton where they will not have the luxury of ball delieveries they are used to when playing under Elite Midfields ( Swans & Suns).


You guys can day dream all you want and you can get excited for next year only to get angry & disappointed, But I am not going to fall for it YET Again. Enough of this BS from the Club & from the fans too.


Reality is, Next year is going to be a struggle. We will finish bottom 3. We will not be able to kick a Winning Score anywhere enough to even make us competitve. Add to that the expected Injuries to Key Players and the under-performance of players who promise alot but deliver nothing.

I am not against what the Club did in the Trade Period. I really think they did a Great Job. They have set us up for success in 3-4 years time. I just wish they were more honest and said " Our Rebuild starts now".

Every decision they made and every Pick they selected indicates we are heading towards a re-build of 3-5 years. Why not just bloody say it?


Don't come out and say we have improved our list and we are a good chance of Finals again. Whom are you kidding? We lost our best 3 players. They can not be replaced no matter how many excuses you can give.

IF anyone here thinks we are a finals chance, plz tell me where the Goals will come from!!


Look. I know my Posts always seem to be so Negative, do you think I want to be Negative or enjoy being Negative? Havn't we learned anything from the past 20 years?
You can be as Positive as you want, All i am asking from Carlton Fans is to be realistic and prepare when things don't go our way!

And here was me thinking a good night sleep may have help your thoughts on the trades.

Are you sure you aren't on youtube?

Regards Cazzesman

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Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/19161 ... ts-to-come

Good read if you are happy with the trades. If you aren't then don't bother.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”