i'll dm you.

but ...

austin wanted houston too. but we didn't have the money, and collectively the club were happy with what we had spent our money on - two big key forwards who play the same position.

Media claim to know everything, and you know most of the rumours they start are proven to be just that. Then they say its worth a discussion...imagine if.....click bait....content....they hide in rubbish bins to find a story such is their desperation. The are not journalists. They can't even spell. The are rumour mongers.

braithy, can you see why its important to not let them know the salary cap? Its really dangerous territory. Player Managers have some idea, for obvious reasons, but its also in their interest to keep their IP close to their chest. You don't show your cards and tell others what you know.

Last week on SEN former WCE coach Simpson told the public he never knew what a player was being paid, and it was never his business. He is in the business of coaching what he has been given.

Imagine if it was true and it got out that we had a salary cap squeeze. It would become a feeding frenzy on the club, and uncomfortable for players on our list too.

No one knew about the Pies squeeze and how bad it was, given contracted players couldn't fit within the SC the next year. There's penalties for going over the salary cap, including losing draft picks.

Pies kept it quiet and didn't tell anyone, not even Buckley, and that enabled them to be proactive looking for a home for Grundy, Treloar, Stevenson and Philips. Dees, Dogs, North and Hawks took their opportunity before the shit hit the fan.

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yeah, i see your point. but it's still fanciful to think coaches don't know the cap, and in turn the broader afl landscape. sure, they won't know what an individual is on (they would have a great ballpark idea tho) but they will know the sum of the cap and the length of deals players are on, and deduce the rest.


did you see wright is going to shop charlie or harry this summer. cause a bidding war. if that's not a confirmation for every man and his dog to know we are heavily and aggressively restructuring our salary cap, i don't know what is.

we can't afford the players we want, without letting go of some of that cream we have sitting on the top.

Without getting into the nitty gritty of Charlie or Harry I'm actually slightly excited at the prospect of trading out a highly paid player or two.

When was the last time we traded out an A or B grader?

I don't have any specifics re contracts but unless there's a threat that you might be put on the chopping block it's too easy for agents to stonewall in negotiations with us.

Feels like we rarely get a player to commit for unders in the way that some clubs do.

If we lost a key forward and TDK and ended up with a top 10 pick, a couple of good quality quick 23-25yo mids and added Jagga next year it'd be interesting to see what that did to our set up.

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Happy to take off line. Probably a good idea.

Are these 2 KPFs Harry & Charlie?

Charlie who signed his 2023-2029 contract in 2022?
Harry who signed his 2023-2030 contract in 2022?

OK, what you're saying is the club knew that the contacts signed in 2022 by these 2 KPFs, who took unders to keep the team together was going to stifle the club for the next 6-7 years. Yes? No?

Then after them Sam Walsh signed his contract extension for 2023-2026.

Then 2 years later in 2024, we signed Weitering on similar money to those 2 KPFs.

Then last year we signed Cerra on a 5 year deal.

Seems to me the wheels keep moving despite the 2 KPFs being signed.

We will see what happens at the end of the year I guess.
If TDK stays, then we shouldn't have any wriggle room to sign up any FA.
If he leaves for Saints, then we will never know if salary cap constrained us.
But if we get 2 FA's ....

If we have been front loading half a dozen players as we've been told, and couldnt afford to add Houston after delisting Marchbank (500K), Martin (600K), Cuningham (400K), and trading Carroll (100K), Kernnedy (300K) and Owies (200K), then we are kicking the can down the road and the fire sales are coming. I believe the Elliot led Carlton would do something like kicking the can on, but somehow, after all the strife our club has faced, and totally rebuilding of the club and List with Best practise in mind, I can't believe we've gone down such a risky road.

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i think the stifling of the cap happens when we chase high draft picks, key positions etc and they all need to be paid. the whole tanking for high picks never worked, the rebuild was ill thought out.

and when they say they took unders, i wonder what that's defined as? st kilda offers them overs, and then naturally our offer is under that? bcos i have it, that our top 6 or 7 earn more than the top 6 or 7 at any other club in the comp. if williams is on 900k, i wholeheartedly believe it to be true, too fwiw.

Just read the Wright article in the Herald Sun. What a load of sensationalist guess work



Oh will he? Nostradamus doesn't even know our salary cap situation when Williams was signed. We only had Cripps and Govs contracts to front load, we needed more. We were not a destination club back then.

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Do your sums goose $900M plus CRI/Cap increase = $1M? Show us how you got that number. Why haven't you factored the front loading from year 1-3?

No way Williams is paid $1M this year, nor next year. Nowhere near it. Its closer to half a million than one million.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/change-is-needed-at-carlton-and-graham-wright-is-ready-to-make-the-big-calls/news-story/c8b96c317af24d3f9f1d4e6ca5e00db4

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i think williams on 600k is a severe overpayment and not getting monies worth. the fact he's on 900k give or take a little depending on loading as absolutely horrendous list management.

and, since none of us know bondi. what if williams is on a mil this year and next?


holy shit. kill me now.

Nah, that's all history mate.
Anyone thinks he's paid 900 let alone 1M has not been keeping up with him since 2021.
We were 13th and won 8 games. We were not a destination club.
Our Top players were Cripps. Yep. Cripps (700) Doc (700) and Gov (650)

We had to spend 95% of Cap.

Cripps, Doc and Gov got heaps front loaded. Cripps was only 26yo!!!!
Weiters Harry Charlie Silvagni Cuningham were all 23yo!!!!

Get that into your head before you get lost in numbers

Then Williams came. We needed to spread the load...the SC load....with 4.
What I think Williams, Doc and Cripps are paid now, is far less than what I post.

I completely agree we have been dudded by Williams' body.
He's not worth $500K.
He's worth $300K as depth TBH. Cyrol is said was max 620. FMD

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Bondi
It’s common knowledge that William’s signed a 6 year deal around 5 million
For a HBF an absolutely ridiculous deal
Which has effected our hard cap
As the article points out good sides don’t overpay their star players
And we pay a player who is not a star over double the average
That’s [REDACTED]
The issue though is far greater
It’s the messiah approach
It’s putting all your eggs in one basket
I guarantee that if Wright was the CEO last last year no way would he allow the List Management team to give up the farm for Jagga Smith
Not one employee at Carlton has changed this culture

You’re assuming he’s been paid the exact same amount each year. The average of the total contract.

What Bondi is saying, is that he’s already got the lion’s share of that $5m in his sky rocket. What he’s saying, quite clearly, is that the remainder owed this year & next will be less than the average.

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It’s more about the big picture stuff
Over paying players
Giving up high draft picks for one messiah
5 million is 5 million whenever it’s paid

I read the article. I get the point. I just showed you how the Herald Sun journalist can muck around with numbers, never stating they are real or not, and that some people are going to believe the figure we are paying today is $1M pa, with another year left on the contract. You know, and I know that is not the case. The journalist (if that's what you call them footy writers), hasnt even mentioned front loading Williams contract, let alone Govs Docs and Cripps. That's all I pointed out.

I know the original number. Everyone does. $5.4 Million, 6 year contract for a guy who had previous achilles injury.
Too much for a HBF. I agree. I even agree with you on these contracts, always have, but moving forward we have Wright who is firm on not over paying.

He was targeted him as a midfielder. You know that part too.
He starred in ONE game as a midfielder and won the Final for the GWS.
Big mistake. But his contract isn't the contract that is costing us $900 or $1M this year or next.
His contract is a sunken cost. Gonski. Got no return for it.

I've made my point re front loading and why we paid big money for Cripps, Doc, Williams and Gov.
Your point, I think, is that we paid too much over the life of the contract back in 2021 whether he was a HBF, or a mid, regardless what's left to pay.

Its 2025, and by the end of this year, 5 years would have gone past, and next year is 2026.
The Williams contract, wasn't good, but, the main point here, is the here and now, and this Williams contract is not the one stifling our cap today, as the "writer" alludes to. That's all.

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Exactly what I'm saying.

I'm merely making that point in response to the crap written by a so called journo who hasn't done his homework ie there was no warning sticker that says "read with caution and scepticism".

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Lets hop that all these decisions that didnt pay off are a thing of the past and Wright will right the ship and we will be run like a well oiled machine. I look forward to the past being the past.

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This is a snippet from CNN regarding PSG winning the Champions League Final yesterday

Regardless of his personal situation, what Enrique has done to this PSG side has been nothing short of astonishing.

When he took over last season, the club was still bloated, left dealing with the consequences from the club’s previous tactic of spending money on superstar players it probably didn’t need.

And then he was dealt another blow, when striker Kylian Mbappé finally left the club to join Real Madrid for the start of this season.

In many ways, though, those hardships turned out to be a blessing in disguise. Instead of managing personalities and transfer sagas, Enrique was allowed to focus purely on the pitch.

It allowed him to develop a young team, and establish a unity that was tested several times during this Champions League campaign......

Similarities there ...... Coach aside, hopefully that's the path that Wright will steer us

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PSG was also helped by being the ginormous fish in the small pond of France's Ligue 1. This allowed them to rotate and rest their key players for the Champions League, and employ their depth players in the domestic league (while coasting to the L1 title). When it came to the knock-out stages, their stars who had each played around 2000 minutes for the season went up against players from English and Spanish leagues whose best had slogged through 4000+ minutes each. Not entirely surprisingly, they overran them, despite barely getting out of the group stages earlier in the season where the freshness discrepancy was not so pronounced. Enrique's genius was in recognising that reducing players' domestic minutes would be the key to going deep in the CL; losing the big names/egos helped in that regard as the likes of Mbappe and Neymar would crack the sads if benched.

Not to turn this into an excuse-making session for my EPL team, but there are factors at play at PSG that are not applicable to a league with equalisation and only one prize.

Yes Williams is overpaid by $3-500k per annum. No argument there. But there wouldnt be one club in the AFL without a contract where one of their players is overpaid. Pies are paying >$500k a year for players who play for other teams (Grundy and Treloar) and they have looked Ok the past three years. We just don;t have the small forwards or ball users to trouble the good teams.

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It's all about the right depth and management. We're nowhere near that yet. As a follower of Inter (and yes many minutes played in 24/25) it was a bit like Carlton fronting North in '99. The final was (sort of) played the previous week.

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