all of what bondi says, doesn't take into account the really poor gameplan and system (or lack of) and match selections.

bondi is an optimist, and like most optimists they whiff over the actual causes of our shithousery with their always glass half-full approach - like coaching and gameplan in particular is poor, the list has some massive holes - starting with foot speed, we've too much cap tied up into full forward when we don't have mids who can move the ball to said full forwards.

bondi thought this lions game was a 50-50. he was the only person in afl world who thought this and he was categorically proven wrong when we were down 60 points before we even scored. and any hope of this being a 40-60 was lost at the selection table.

tdk as sub is about the worst decision we've ever made. either he's fit enough to run out a game, or we replace him with someone who can.

we've got some big decisions this summer, bcos if the thinking here is replace russell for a more competent HP manager, and we're set for a run at a flag in 25. well, we'd be wrong, and by then cripps will be 31 and the as they say in the classics, that's all folks

we need to overhaul the list to some degree - we need an injection of speed thru the middle, electricity up front and another 2nd banana to weiters, if we think young isn't it. we need at minimum a new mid coach and new assistant coach and i wouldn't even care if we replaced voss at this point either.

we need to make hard decisions and we need to not be sorry about them and lean into this mess.

%#@$….

angrier today…!


Kindest regards tommi






And why the %#@$ can’t we kick a goal from
50m out…?

Every other team is scoring from there…except us…!




We have a right to be angry as supporters…so
let fly as far as I’m concerned…!


Kennedy needs to know we’ve got his back
too…he shouldn’t have been the sacrificial lamb…!

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What are the odds that Kennedy was supposed to be part of the Zorko plan Voss eluded to?

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Cheerio to my friends KN, BC, TT, GP, DK, AE, MS, SC, TC, JL, MO & LF

I think a lot of us "grieved" our season a few weeks ago.
Feels like a bit of a relief tbh.

I like Kennedy, but he can suck it up. We needed TDK on, we were much better once he came on, someone relatively big and slow had to make way, it was the new dad, so be it. Let's not forget Kennedy made one of the worst plays of a diabolical first half, taking a ball in D50 with time and space, and blindly dumping it out to the wing for the easiest "insufficient intent" call you'll ever see. Can't remember whether they scored from the repeat entry, but it was pathetic. Who cares whether he had more possessions than 8 players, he was as expendable as anyone else.

My working theory (more of a sleep tonic, tbh) is that we trained that little bit of power out of them, so they could run harder for longer.

The kick up the line always drops 5-10m short of the mark. The kick inside 50, always too shallow.

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I think the the most mysterious decision was not to play Cincotta
Seriously what has this guy done wrong
Zorko must have got a chubby when he saw Cincotta’s name in the omissions column

Expected a loss.
Didn't expect to be 10 goals down before we scored.

Anyway, went grocery shipping earlier today and thought I might leave my Carlton shopping bag in the car out of embarrassment. I didn't, and when I walked into the shopping centre past Muffin Break, there was a bloke sat there cheerfully in his North polo. Those cauliflower won 3 games for the year and he was enjoying his morning in his team colours.

I used my Carlton bag at the checkout.
Yes, we shat the bed this season, but I've lived through worse as a Blues fan.

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could agree more, miss... i faced the facts back after the dogs game. and now it's relief that it's over.

watching closely to see what if any changes we make this summer, tho ... and that will determine how much i invest in the 2025 season.

the money driven afl and rule changes and espesh the mid year ones ... it's slowly killing the game. for me at least.

Had the potential, at least to offer more than a number of players left out there, Durdin and Motlop in particular.


But that was an ordinary kick to the boundary line, for sure.

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THEY LIKE TO SEND UP!!!!!!!!

Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

Hey Braithy , nothing wrong with being a glass half full man . I"m one myself . Good on Bondi for flying the Flag . I also thought we were a chance . And we were if we had brought anything like our best . Our best was going to match it with Brisbanes best . Shit , they aint anything special . But Braithy , I gotta admit you have pointed out some glaring deficiencies . I will agree with you one hundred percent on one thing and if people think replacing Andrew Russell is gonna be the difference then they are dreaming . I think its list more than coach . Crying out for run and carry between the arcs . A top notch wingman to assist to assist Acres is as big an issue as any . Love Ollies workmate but we need more polish .

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Understand the thinking behind benching one of the slower players and the question is who if not Kennedy? Assuming that benching Pittwasn't an option given questions on TDK the only other tallish/slowish players actually played pretty well. In hindsight Kemp had a poor game, but I get that his greater mobility would have factored into their thinking. Again in hindsight he may have been better value than some of the smalls but at the time I can see why he drew the short straw.

yeah mick ... that's a pretty good middle ground to find yourself, and a place i'm onboard with. the only thing i'd say is, improving the list won't necessarily improve our structure and system. bombing it long and bludgeoning the other team at the source is outdated. we need the handbrakes taken off, and we need to play with more risk and dare through overlapping run. imo

tbh, i like glass half full people. that's a big level below blind optimism. blind optimism drives me mental haha

I'm not sure hindsight comes into it so much, as he has consistently shown to be more impactful than a number of these other players.

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THEY LIKE TO SEND UP!!!!!!!!

Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

I won't speak for Bondi but as well as being a glass half full man I am also a blind optimist . When it comes to our Football Club I got blind faith . That's why I like your stuff Braithy , you got your feet firmly painted on the ground . Be a dull old world if we were all the same . That's why I love reading all the different points of view .

PS ............... what's this business about Vossy not being innovative ? faaark , playing a ruckman as a sub I reckon is really out there . Really out there .

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that's not innovative mate. that's just foolish.


the innovation i speak of was when the game was over at HT and voss gave the guys license to risk. elijah was no-look handballing all thru the middle and over his shoulder, low spearing passes thru the corridor. the run and handball chain at every opportunity started. and all of that was possible bcos we were causing turnover.

it's manic and unorganised and dials in the collingwood "chaos ball" or the hawthorn "hokball" ... imo voss is too conservative to throw that kinda caution to the wind. he likes his hands on the footy first and big bodied mids owning the stoppage. it's not modern footy, espesh after the HTB rule change midyear. keep the ball alive and keep it moving forward at all costs is the new algorithm.

that's how hawks, gws, cats and swans play. it's not coincidence they're easily the 4 best teams this year too.

Could not agree with you more Tommi!!!

I can't remember ever being this livid at the end of the season, even seasons where we didn't make finals

Voss played russian roulette with selections; he pandered to a selfish Docherty...yes, I said, "selfish"

How Docherty, coming back much much earlier than what medical advice suggests, then knowingly push for selection in a final completely underdone shows me he didn't have the interests of the team at heart. It was all about HIS desire to get into the team

And Voss bought it, rather than saying it was too much of a risk (both injury and performance)

The open lack of faith in at least one of the newbies is so wrong for team cohesion, culture and long term planning!!!!

Then there's Cincotta...WTF was Voss thinking in omitting him? WTF WAS HE THINKING???????????????????????

Playing all three of those inept small forwards beggars belief and the whole TDK/Kennedy debacle was the icing on the cake, and totally agree; Kennedy was the most ill conceived scapegoat

My blood will continue to boil for days over this Tommi

Would've preferred a 50 point loss with the 3 kids in, even if it was just to (a) reward them for playing their part while more senior players are underdone and (b) expose them to a finals experience

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

I'll see your Kennedy and raise you any of Motlop, Durdin or Fantasia...who had less impact in a whole game tan Kennedy had in 40 minutes

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Mate , the ruckman as sub was a light hearted comment . Of course footy aint a laughing matter at the minute . Serious question , who do you think we should target in the off season ?

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Couldn't agree more. Us supporters could see it, we all commented on our lack of speed and being too tall and too many underdone players brought in. If we could see why on earth couldn't the match committee?
TDK as a sub will go down as one of the more ridiculous decisions he has made. I would be so pissed off if I was Kennedy.