Lose this and there's no next game, so being conservative with selection isn't really an option.

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Motlop over Moir?

True, we only just beat Lions by 1pt in the OR.......we won't have it that easy this time round.
I'm glad it's not me selecting players.

Dont forget we won that game without Walsh and Weiters, and Doc going down early.

FWIW, saw TDK in the Captains Club function pre-game yesterday, and he looked to be moving relatively well, no obvious limp.

However, he was being very conservative in his responses on stage about his fitness.

Touch & go IMO and if he plays, we have to have Pitto in too this time I think.

Short memories - he performed remarkably well in Opening Round too when Weiters was out.

Young has to play. Has improved our defence over the past two rounds. 14 goals conceded across 2 games, we were conceding that many per game before. And D50 stoppages seem to be the main source of oppo goals, so they can't be pinned on KPDs. Forget the past, focus on the now.

Re: Owies dangerous tackle... was that the chasedown in the centre square that won a HTB free? If so, I'd use the Dangerfield Unstoppable Momentum (DUM) defence.

word is tdk wouldn't come back until wk 2 or even 3 of finals, if at all.

if owies misses, we're in some shit bcos durdin is compromised with his shoulder and motlop is the worst small going around. his work ethic nonexistent.

that would leave taking a flyer on williams who even when fit, spends most of the 4th qtr on the bench drinking pickle juice. martin who shouldn't be considered at all considering he's player 2.5 games all season long, and moir - who looks good, but for a whole 4 qtrs of finals, might be found wanting?


young has to play. he was better than weiters yday. gov has to come back in - he seems to marshal the troups back there while playing his bruise free brand of pea-hearted footy and cowan and newman in lock down roles on charlie and bailey?

i thought Young was good yesterday so not sure why people want him dropped. And yes he was better than Weiters yesterday, who was left out of position heaps of times. Young was gutsy and tooks some nice marks. We may stress when he has ball in hand, but his marking and spoiling are worthy of him being in the team.

And how is McGovern better than him completely.? McGoverns kicking may be better, but his half arsed attempts and clangers recently have been dumbfounded.

Weiters needs to be a leader and professional and get over any dislike for young - if at all this is true or not.

McGoverns body language in telling people off left a bad taste in my mouth recently, especially given he lost us the Collingwood game, stunk it up against Westcoast, and is constantly sooking to the umps and is always injured.

While Young may not be as talented, he goes away to the reserves and back into the team and at least tries. He may shirk the contest, but im hoping we point out his faults and try and solve them with him rather than throwing him away.

The big decision IMO will be whether to drop Young or Kemp. We need to bring in Harry, Charlie and McG if available.

Williams must play if he’s able to health-wise for his vision and delivery and in that case I’d have Moir as sub to replace him if required.
I never thought I’d say this, but I think Fantasia should play too - he created several crucial opportunities yesterday and showed some much needed class.
I think Motlop, Durdin and Carroll are out. Moir did better than both Motlop and Durdin in just one quarter.
I would bring in Martin if he’s fit. I think a forward line with Williams, Martin and Owies at the feet of Harry and Charlie is potent and we need X factor to have a shot at winning this. Owies is by far our best available small forward so I really hope he avoids suspension.

I think Lord might keep his sport ahead of Cerra but Binns might miss out, maybe sub.

Unless TDK is absolutely cherry ripe, I wouldn’t play him.
Pittonet is probably a good match up for Big O anyway.

But it will be difficult to bring in 3 talls in place of 3 smalls given how we’ve improved our speed so much. So, I wonder whether the big decision will be whether to drop Kemp or Young.


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Sounds like Cerra, Charlie, Docherty, Harry, Marchbank, Martin, McGovern and Williams will be a ‘test’.

If they are all available, I would go-

B: Newman Weitering Kemp
HB: Saad McGovern Cowan
C: Acres Cripps O.Hollands
HF: Cincotta Harry E.Hollands
F: Williams Charlie Motlop

R: Pittonet Hewitt Walsh

Inter: Cerra, C.Durdin, Fantasia, Kennedy
Sub: Moir

In - Cerra, Charlie, Harry, McGovern, Williams
Out - Owies (susp), Binns, Carroll, Lord, Young

Kennedy as 7th defender. Cincotta to play a defensive forward role.

Binns & Lord unlucky, but I’m worried about taking too many light bodies into a final.

Cerra has had a frustrating season, but if he is 100% fit then he is too good not to play IMO. And not as a HB please. If he’s not fit enough to play midfield - then he is sub or doesn’t play at all.

It’s tempting to pick Martin - he is a proven finals performer who might be playing for his career - but I just don’t trust his body. The same could be said of Williams, but at least he has played most of the season and I think we really need him if Owies is out. He had a good finals record at GWS too.

Young is a tough one. Yes, we need height in defence, but I worry he is too shaky to trust in a final. Plus I think we need to drop a tall if Harry, Charlie & McGovern are all coming in - and it’s probably a choice between Young or Kemp. While Kemp can be a little shaky in defence himself at times, he has more runs on the board this season. And for some reason, Weitering seems to play better with Kemp than Young.

We all love Doc, but….it’s too risky IMO.

Sounds like Boyd & TDK won’t be ready in time unfortunately.

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Cincotta defensive forward on Zorko?
I prefer Kennedy in attack rotating mid more than defence.


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i'd love to see lord over cerra. not bcos he's better, he is at this stage more trustworthy to finish the game.

doc can't be looked at, imo. he looked a step slow before the knee injury.

if fantasia is healthy, i'm playing him (he looked like he did a rib or a wrist at the death yday - it was hard the way he was holding himself to tell which)

elijah could almost be the 7th defender to do a job on one of their smalls which would leave taking a punt on williams to play forward. we're going to miss fog and his pursuit, not sure who can step into that role.

Lord could be an option for the Fog role. Started in F50 a few times yesterday

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Not sure Motlop deserves a final … would swap him for Williams

Yeh laughing and carrying on. Losers. I was so upset then but now it’s like we won in my eyes.

We qualify with 20 players on the injury list. We see great signs from the youngies and give them a taste of finals like footy.

And now i know we have keepers in Binns, Lord and Moir. Ollie Hollands is a leader. And we still haven seen Billy Wilson. And we will have the Campos.

We get to have some more finals exposure, and we are in it to win it.

St Kilda. What is the difference between St Kilda and a bra? A bra has two cups. That old joke always stirs their supporters up

yeah me too. motlop is a liability full stop. william's body is a liability, but the player himself, you know you're going to get pressure, a goal and some flashes here and there.

I'd have no issue giving Carroll a small fwd role. Could not possibly do worse than Durdin and/or Motlop.

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Don't recall the incident.
I do recall the farcical slam tackle awarded against George. Absolutely ridiculous.

Me too

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Oh man, that one took all the self restraint I could muster.

Me: "OHHHHHHHHhhhhhhh-UGH!"
Eldest son: "daddy, you swore!"
Me: "I actually didn't!" (chest swelling with pride)