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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 4:23 pm 
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Good stats and good point Billy.
The biggest issue we have with our forward line and movement is we kick the ball to the same talls, expect the smalls to be there while also dragging their players into the mess and miraculously kick goals or contain the ball.
All while our mids and wings are doing jack......this is an area that takes the pressure off of the forward line and is as much a defence first strategy issue as it is a player issue.
We need a strategy and player change up in the next couple of weeks to find some other avenues and players to kick goals, otherwise this season is as good as done (which I think it is anyway, unfortunately).



We need 8 wins from the next 13 games. I think we will win against Swans, and not because Durds and Mots plays. We have to get our game sorted out now, unless we can do a Collingwood and win our last 8 in a row.

These two 19 & 20yo's are not in form, and they will be covered by Lloyd, Fox and Cuningham. The Swans backs are no slouches. Good luck our two boys becoming the new avenues this week....and then there's next week against the Dees when they face Hibberd, Salem and Mcvee.

If our 2 boys ARE the best "avenues" to goal we can muster, then good luck to them and the team. They have not been at Charlie Harry and Jacks feet when they know we are going to be bombing it long to the talls, so I'm not confident theses kids will be given a chance to be learning to be the avenues to goal against seasoned defenders.

I think you miss read my comment or I wasn't clear enough, sorry.
I meant our midfield and wings need to be the other avenues, like most clubs in the top 8 that have multiple goal scorers.
We rely too much on the two forwards who are usually out numbered because of both delivery and speed of play.
The supporters are expecting the smalls to be at the feet of the talls thus dragging in their men also to the mess.
I assume the instruction has been to move their defenders away from Harry and Charlie but the opposition don't rate the danger of our smalls or that we will even deliver to them lace out so they go to Charlie and Harry to spoil and clear the ball with ease.
My point being the smalls returns based on those numbers are not that bad, but because we can't kick goals or have multiple goal scorers the expectations to be miracle workers are a lot higher.


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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 4:30 pm 
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Surely Ed is dropped this week.

Beggars belief he is still on the list.

It’s like we are content being a middling team until we fall off the cliff again.

Bizarre.


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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 4:50 pm 
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Surely Ed is dropped this week.

Beggars belief he is still on the list.

It’s like we are content being a middling team until we fall off the cliff again.

Bizarre.


Voss likes tough, slow players to play a tough, slow brand of footy.


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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 4:58 pm 
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We should win this. If you think Carlton are poor then Sydney are shit.



No McCartin boys playing in key posts on Harry and Charlie
No Rampe, their best versatile defender.
Three great small defenders though.

Ladhams in ruck out
Their capt mid and Mr fifit, Mills is out
McDonald their KP who gave us trouble last year is out.
Their replacements Amarteyand reid are out too.

They are in a state of pain.

We should win this by a lot IF we have players find form or Voss selects players in form.
The win should not be the panacea and all our problems gone. Like the WCE game, this game may give us a false sense of securtity.

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 5:07 pm 
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Listening to Voss' presser today we can pretty much put a line through Dow, he clearly doesn't rate him as an inside mid ahead of the incumbents.

He pretty much confirmed TDK would be in, whilst the similar question asked about Dow had a starkly different response.


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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 5:09 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Good stats and good point Billy.
The biggest issue we have with our forward line and movement is we kick the ball to the same talls, expect the smalls to be there while also dragging their players into the mess and miraculously kick goals or contain the ball.
All while our mids and wings are doing jack......this is an area that takes the pressure off of the forward line and is as much a defence first strategy issue as it is a player issue.
We need a strategy and player change up in the next couple of weeks to find some other avenues and players to kick goals, otherwise this season is as good as done (which I think it is anyway, unfortunately).



We need 8 wins from the next 13 games. I think we will win against Swans, and not because Durds and Mots plays. We have to get our game sorted out now, unless we can do a Collingwood and win our last 8 in a row.

These two 19 & 20yo's are not in form, and they will be covered by Lloyd, Fox and Cuningham. The Swans backs are no slouches. Good luck our two boys becoming the new avenues this week....and then there's next week against the Dees when they face Hibberd, Salem and Mcvee.

If our 2 boys ARE the best "avenues" to goal we can muster, then good luck to them and the team. They have not been at Charlie Harry and Jacks feet when they know we are going to be bombing it long to the talls, so I'm not confident theses kids will be given a chance to be learning to be the avenues to goal against seasoned defenders.

I think you miss read my comment or I wasn't clear enough, sorry.
I meant our midfield and wings need to be the other avenues, like most clubs in the top 8 that have multiple goal scorers.
We rely too much on the two forwards who are usually out numbered because of both delivery and speed of play.
The supporters are expecting the smalls to be at the feet of the talls thus dragging in their men also to the mess.
I assume the instruction has been to move their defenders away from Harry and Charlie but the opposition don't rate the danger of our smalls or that we will even deliver to them lace out so they go to Charlie and Harry to spoil and clear the ball with ease.
My point being the smalls returns based on those numbers are not that bad, but because we can't kick goals or have multiple goal scorers the expectations to be miracle workers are a lot higher.


I thought the discussion from the bb stats was the small forwards, who should be avenues to goal but haven't been for a long while. I don't blame the wings and mids for that.

So, outside of Owies, you're happy with the 2nd and 3rd small forwards because ... the stats bb provided from afl.com support that?

Miracle workers? The smalls? I don't think I can let them off so lightly. I saw their impact as targets in the forwardline vs Dogs with the big dogs playing away from goal.

I think 3 smalls is at least one too many. I feel having 2 developing smalls in a team who cant afford to faulter is playing Russian Roulette by playing them, and something we do week in week out and it doesnt work.

No drama. I'm only guessing. For all I know they are perfecting Vossy's instructions and are sound. I just cant see it and havent seen it for 6 weeks (apart from WCE)

This is not the week to judge them if Vossy selects them again. We will beat Swans with or without the 2 kids. I will be interested in their ooutput vs Swans even if we do win, but the folllowing weekend, watch out. This is the week we should be trying different chemistry.

Sadly I dont think Dow will get a go this week.

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 5:12 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
Listening to Voss' presser today we can pretty much put a line through Dow, he clearly doesn't rate him as an inside mid ahead of the incumbents.

He pretty much confirmed TDK would be in, whilst the similar question asked about Dow had a starkly different response.


So, Vossy wants player versatility but non of the inside mids can provide that to make way for Dow. Yeah right.

I'm not a big fan of Dow at this stage, but fk we have been...not that good for 5-6 weeks now. Something has to change.

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 6:11 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
Listening to Voss' presser today we can pretty much put a line through Dow, he clearly doesn't rate him as an inside mid ahead of the incumbents.

He pretty much confirmed TDK would be in, whilst the similar question asked about Dow had a starkly different response.


what did he say?

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 6:33 pm 
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Still no Tom McCartin for the Swans this week and they are still missing quite a few other key players through injury:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/932714/no-reprieve-for-swans-as-carlton-s-twin-towers-loom

If we can't win against them this week, we are well and truly [REDACTED]!!

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 6:43 pm 
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Mil Hanna wrote:
Still no Tom McCartin for the Swans this week and they are still missing quite a few other key players through injury:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/932714/no-reprieve-for-swans-as-carlton-s-twin-towers-loom

If we can't win against them this week, we are well and truly [REDACTED]!!



Like we were by round 12 last year.

They are lambs for the slaughter, but hey....we can fk this up if they know what we are going to do before the siren sounds.

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 6:49 pm 
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Have a look at the first 2 photos from the Training Gallery

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/albums/1339254/afl-training-gallery-wednesday-24-may?modal=true&type=gallery&playlistId=1339254&playlistSize=10

Cuningham running full pelt

Martin running full pelt

Then there's Kemp and Chinky

What are they telling us? They're teasing us.

Cincotta deserves to be playing, ahead of Cowan and maybe Boyd.
If Boyd clicks, Cincotta will be a bonus if he can release Doc to midfield

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 7:00 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Mil Hanna wrote:
Still no Tom McCartin for the Swans this week and they are still missing quite a few other key players through injury:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/932714/no-reprieve-for-swans-as-carlton-s-twin-towers-loom

If we can't win against them this week, we are well and truly [REDACTED]!!



Like we were by round 12 last year.

They are lambs for the slaughter, but hey....we can fk this up if they know what we are going to do before the siren sounds.
Heeney, Parker, Gulden and Longmire could beat us if we play dumb.... Add buddy too if we choose to put our biggest slowest defender on (hi Weits)... You know, because Buddy is big....

That's the kind of thing that we've been doing, although to be fair, there has been more coaching strategy tried (with mixed effects) in the last couple of games than for the whole year. ..

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 7:28 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Mil Hanna wrote:
Still no Tom McCartin for the Swans this week and they are still missing quite a few other key players through injury:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/932714/no-reprieve-for-swans-as-carlton-s-twin-towers-loom

If we can't win against them this week, we are well and truly [REDACTED]!!



Like we were by round 12 last year.

They are lambs for the slaughter, but hey....we can fk this up if they know what we are going to do before the siren sounds.


Yeah, true. But we were sitting on 9-3, and riding a bit of a wave of belief - the Swans are at the bottom of a very big mountain at the moment.

We would really need to be pitiful to lose to their current mob. (I don't put it past us!! :lol: )

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 8:15 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
Listening to Voss' presser today we can pretty much put a line through Dow, he clearly doesn't rate him as an inside mid ahead of the incumbents.

He pretty much confirmed TDK would be in, whilst the similar question asked about Dow had a starkly different response.


So, Vossy wants player versatility but non of the inside mids can provide that to make way for Dow. Yeah right.

I'm not a big fan of Dow at this stage, but fk we have been...not that good for 5-6 weeks now. Something has to change.


Yeah I’m not convinced Dow will make it either,But he deserves a handful of games he’s banging down the door. Theres a couple of mids that aren’t exactly holding the door shut for a long period.

Worries me that this time next year TDK Dow and Stocker are flying elsewhere and we are still making friends and connecting with each other and adding layers to our game plan. :banghead:


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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 8:47 pm 
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Worries me that this time next year TDK Dow and Stocker are flying elsewhere and we are still making friends and connecting with each other and adding layers to our game plan. :banghead:



Pies fans were absolutely filthy when they lost Treloar & Stephenson, & that hasn't turned out too bad for them.

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 8:52 pm 
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mymanmurph wrote:
Worries me that this time next year TDK Dow and Stocker are flying elsewhere and we are still making friends and connecting with each other and adding layers to our game plan. :banghead:



Pies fans were absolutely filthy when they lost Treloar & Stephenson, & that hasn't turned out too bad for them.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 9:25 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
mymanmurph wrote:
Worries me that this time next year TDK Dow and Stocker are flying elsewhere and we are still making friends and connecting with each other and adding layers to our game plan. :banghead:



Pies fans were absolutely filthy when they lost Treloar & Stephenson, & that hasn't turned out too bad for them.


Fair point!


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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 9:28 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
CK95 wrote:
mymanmurph wrote:
Worries me that this time next year TDK Dow and Stocker are flying elsewhere and we are still making friends and connecting with each other and adding layers to our game plan. :banghead:



Pies fans were absolutely filthy when they lost Treloar & Stephenson, & that hasn't turned out too bad for them.
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I don’t quite agree on Grundy he was traded when they realised they didnt need him anymore.


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Who the fkc is CHINKY?


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