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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 4:47 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
What does Voss do with our midfield?

I would add another midfielder by dropping one of Pittonet TDK or Jack

We can only carry 2 of Cripps Kennedy Hewett Curnow. They need to be supported by Walsh Cerra Fisher Durdin Motlop Dow Hollands

The issue now with the 6-6-6 is if you lose clean ball in the centre you get thrashed on the scoreboard as the ball gets in quickly. Crows did that especially in the first qtr and because we don't we struggle to kick quick/easy goals from the centre. Crows pushed Rachelle McHenry Pedlar Jones through the middle with Sloane Laird Dawson Keays and that is why we lost


We are carrying Cripps, now?
He had a v poor game against Adelaide but still made 10 tackles (most on the ground) and 9 clearances (= most on the ground with Laird who got 4 in the first qtr!).
He has not been running as hard and not kicking goals. But we are not carrying him!
We have shown good improvement in areas we needed to improve on from last year. But our 1 Wood has been conspicuously missing so far. That is the part most were expecting to ignite last week but has failed. Without our stoppage dominance, we look much slower chasing the ball.
Win the hard stoppage ball and get the ball away cleanly, and the whole game changes.
The other thing we need to work on is movement off the ball, all over the ground, to provide options and to move the opposition.
Our percentage tells the story this year but it is round 6 and we are still well and truly in the game.
Gerard Whateley observed that we came out to play round 5 while the Crows came out ready to play a Prelim!
Big test for us this week against the Saints. They will stifle our already slow ball movement. We will learn a lot about this team on Sunday.
I would bring in Dow probably for Fisher. And I would play Dow in the middle, not half forward. And not on a wing. And yes, I would definitely drop Plowman.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 4:57 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
What does Voss do with our midfield?

I would add another midfielder by dropping one of Pittonet TDK or Jack

We can only carry 2 of Cripps Kennedy Hewett Curnow. They need to be supported by Walsh Cerra Fisher Durdin Motlop Dow Hollands

The issue now with the 6-6-6 is if you lose clean ball in the centre you get thrashed on the scoreboard as the ball gets in quickly. Crows did that especially in the first qtr and because we don't we struggle to kick quick/easy goals from the centre. Crows pushed Rachelle McHenry Pedlar Jones through the middle with Sloane Laird Dawson Keays and that is why we lost


We are carrying Cripps, now?
He had a v poor game against Adelaide but still made 10 tackles (most on the ground) and 9 clearances (= most on the ground with Laird who got 4 in the first qtr!).
He has not been running as hard and not kicking goals. But we are not carrying him!



NEVER said we are carrying him :yikes:


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 5:13 pm 
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St Kilda are a perfect example of a team playing with belief. They are less talented than us and possibly most teams they've played this year but their attitude is first rate.
Teams can play with effort and then there is the absolute manic intensity that some teams can play with. It's like the step up from home and away footy to finals footy.
If there is an opportunity to smother a ball, they will dive full length to make it. Most of our players will throw an arm up and turn their back so they don't get hurt. If there is an opportunity to chase an opponent, they will hunt them down or bust a gut trying. Our blokes as a rule will put in a token chase. If an opponent wins the ball, 2 or 3 of them will rush to apply pressure. We corral or attempt to pressure from 4 metres away.
Collingwood, St Kilda, Essendon* and Sydney currently play with that intensity on a week to week basis. The players feed off seeing their mates sacrifice for the team. And they truly celebrate and value effort over talent. We've said it numerous times, we don't have that hunger.

The reality is very few teams can maintain it other than Sydney. It's in the DNA of their football club. The Pies have played that way for 12 months and Essendon*/St Kilda are currently there. But who can maintain it? Melbourne had it for 12 months then fell away. Richmond had it for 3 or 4 years but it's fallen away. Geelong had it for 20 games and it's evaporated.

Ideally you want that attitude mid season to take you into the finals. Vossy needs to find the key to unlock the correct mindset.
Our leaders need to sacrifice and to recognise effort should be celebrated over talent.
We have the talent to beat any of them. But until we lift the intensity and our leaders truly lead by example, sadly we'll be a middle of the road team.
But the advantage is with us. You can control effort. You can control intensity and desire. You can't lift your skill and ability above its current level in the short term.
If we play with the right mindset, I believe we can beat any of them.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 5:21 pm 
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I'd pick

B: McGovern Young Newman
HB: Cincotta Weitering Saad
C: Acres Cripps Binns
HF: Durdin McKay Cerra
F: Motlop Curnow Fisher
Foll: Pittonet Kennedy Walsh
Int: TDK Cowan Hollands Dow (Carroll)


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:34 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
I'd pick

B: McGovern Young Newman
HB: Cincotta Weitering Saad
C: Acres Cripps Binns
HF: Durdin McKay Cerra
F: Motlop Curnow Fisher
Foll: Pittonet Kennedy Walsh
Int: TDK Cowan Hollands Dow (Carroll)


I like it

I'd swap TDK for SOS

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:38 pm 
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RE: Cripps, it's not 6-6-6 that's the problem. The 6-6-6 was in place last year.

People (read: "da meedya") have said the game passed him by once before, and that was a mistake. In fact I believe that was being said of the 2021 season - before he went and won the Brownlow the following year :lol:

He'll be OK. He's the one I'm least concerned about. I'm fairly certain he's playing injured (foot, ankle, not sure) and that the injury was sustained in the last seconds of the pre-season match against Collingwood.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:41 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
What does Voss do with our midfield?

I would add another midfielder by dropping one of Pittonet TDK or Jack

We can only carry 2 of Cripps Kennedy Hewett Curnow. They need to be supported by Walsh Cerra Fisher Durdin Motlop Dow Hollands

The issue now with the 6-6-6 is if you lose clean ball in the centre you get thrashed on the scoreboard as the ball gets in quickly. Crows did that especially in the first qtr and because we don't we struggle to kick quick/easy goals from the centre. Crows pushed Rachelle McHenry Pedlar Jones through the middle with Sloane Laird Dawson Keays and that is why we lost


We are carrying Cripps, now?
He had a v poor game against Adelaide but still made 10 tackles (most on the ground) and 9 clearances (= most on the ground with Laird who got 4 in the first qtr!).
He has not been running as hard and not kicking goals. But we are not carrying him!



NEVER said we are carrying him :yikes:


Must have misunderstood. My bad.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:21 pm 
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Get back to winning the clearances and we win


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:30 pm 
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robertbb wrote:
RE: Cripps, it's not 6-6-6 that's the problem. The 6-6-6 was in place last year.

People (read: "da meedya") have said the game passed him by once before, and that was a mistake. In fact I believe that was being said of the 2021 season - before he went and won the Brownlow the following year :lol:

He'll be OK. He's the one I'm least concerned about. I'm fairly certain he's playing injured (foot, ankle, not sure) and that the injury was sustained in the last seconds of the pre-season match against Collingwood.


Games quicker this year as teams have adjusted/prepared for it.

Have NEVER written Cripps off. That would be stupid. What I have said is we have too many similar players in the middle and it can't work. Cripps Kennedy Hewett Curnow are all inside hard working contested players and that makes us slow. They must be complimented by run and balance


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:11 pm 
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Our positioning at centre bounces is bizarre. Cripps starts 10 metres from the ruckman and allows his opponent ball side to block him out. NM and Adelaide have done it well. It's very unusual for the ball to fall outside a 3m diameter of the rucks and Cripps is allowing himself to be shielded from that zone. His strength is working in the space and taking the ball on the move. LDU has become a great exponent of the art.
I'm unsure if it's instruction or strange decision making on Crippa's behalf but he needs to sort it out asap. We should have him taking he inside ball, a defensive cover and a negator. Why complicate it?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:33 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
robertbb wrote:
RE: Cripps, it's not 6-6-6 that's the problem. The 6-6-6 was in place last year.

People (read: "da meedya") have said the game passed him by once before, and that was a mistake. In fact I believe that was being said of the 2021 season - before he went and won the Brownlow the following year :lol:

He'll be OK. He's the one I'm least concerned about. I'm fairly certain he's playing injured (foot, ankle, not sure) and that the injury was sustained in the last seconds of the pre-season match against Collingwood.


Games quicker this year as teams have adjusted/prepared for it.

Have NEVER written Cripps off. That would be stupid. What I have said is we have too many similar players in the middle and it can't work. Cripps Kennedy Hewett Curnow are all inside hard working contested players and that makes us slow. They must be complimented by run and balance


I agree. We have a lot of similar types in there, none of whom are exceptionally quick.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:52 pm 
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robertbb wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
robertbb wrote:
RE: Cripps, it's not 6-6-6 that's the problem. The 6-6-6 was in place last year.

People (read: "da meedya") have said the game passed him by once before, and that was a mistake. In fact I believe that was being said of the 2021 season - before he went and won the Brownlow the following year :lol:

He'll be OK. He's the one I'm least concerned about. I'm fairly certain he's playing injured (foot, ankle, not sure) and that the injury was sustained in the last seconds of the pre-season match against Collingwood.


Games quicker this year as teams have adjusted/prepared for it.

Have NEVER written Cripps off. That would be stupid. What I have said is we have too many similar players in the middle and it can't work. Cripps Kennedy Hewett Curnow are all inside hard working contested players and that makes us slow. They must be complimented by run and balance


I agree. We have a lot of similar types in there, none of whom are exceptionally quick.
Tend to disagree
Every season teams come out with quick ball movement and look sensational in the first half dozen games then as the season works on it becomes a more contested type of game.
We have played one game with the our best 5 mids against a team that was pumped up and running hot. Plus we lost Gov Doc and pitto .

As the season wears on teams work others out and eventually it becomes contested footy.

Get 4 or 5 games of Cripps Kennedy Cerra Hewett and Walsh along with Pitto all working together and you will start to see the benefits.

The trouble is keeping the players on the park.
We have enough personal change through injury we don't need to be dropping better players.

Chances are when we roll out against Saints we will read player x out calf

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Haven't seen the footage but hearing caminitti is in trouble for a punch

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 9:26 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Our positioning at centre bounces is bizarre. Cripps starts 10 metres from the ruckman and allows his opponent ball side to block him out. NM and Adelaide have done it well. It's very unusual for the ball to fall outside a 3m diameter of the rucks and Cripps is allowing himself to be shielded from that zone. His strength is working in the space and taking the ball on the move. LDU has become a great exponent of the art.
I'm unsure if it's instruction or strange decision making on Crippa's behalf but he needs to sort it out asap. We should have him taking he inside ball, a defensive cover and a negator. Why complicate it?


See - we can see these things, so why can’t our coaches? It’s bizarre.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 9:48 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
St Kilda are a perfect example of a team playing with belief. They are less talented than us and possibly most teams they've played this year but their attitude is first rate.
Teams can play with effort and then there is the absolute manic intensity that some teams can play with. It's like the step up from home and away footy to finals footy.
If there is an opportunity to smother a ball, they will dive full length to make it. Most of our players will throw an arm up and turn their back so they don't get hurt. If there is an opportunity to chase an opponent, they will hunt them down or bust a gut trying. Our blokes as a rule will put in a token chase. If an opponent wins the ball, 2 or 3 of them will rush to apply pressure. We corral or attempt to pressure from 4 metres away.
Collingwood, St Kilda, Essendon** and Sydney currently play with that intensity on a week to week basis. The players feed off seeing their mates sacrifice for the team. And they truly celebrate and value effort over talent. We've said it numerous times, we don't have that hunger.

The reality is very few teams can maintain it other than Sydney. It's in the DNA of their football club. The Pies have played that way for 12 months and Essendon**/St Kilda are currently there. But who can maintain it? Melbourne had it for 12 months then fell away. Richmond had it for 3 or 4 years but it's fallen away. Geelong had it for 20 games and it's evaporated.

Ideally you want that attitude mid season to take you into the finals. Vossy needs to find the key to unlock the correct mindset.
Our leaders need to sacrifice and to recognise effort should be celebrated over talent.
We have the talent to beat any of them. But until we lift the intensity and our leaders truly lead by example, sadly we'll be a middle of the road team.
But the advantage is with us. You can control effort. You can control intensity and desire. You can't lift your skill and ability above its current level in the short term.
If we play with the right mindset, I believe we can beat any of them.


Start dropping players to the VFL if they are conditional
Personally, I don't give diddly squat about "like for like"
Kill 1 to save 1000
The others will get the message
Clarkson dropped Goldstein in Rd 1 and subbed Cunnington
Play conditionally = go back to VFL and reflect on how much you REALLY REALLY want it

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:24 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
St Kilda are a perfect example of a team playing with belief. They are less talented than us and possibly most teams they've played this year but their attitude is first rate.
Teams can play with effort and then there is the absolute manic intensity that some teams can play with. It's like the step up from home and away footy to finals footy.
If there is an opportunity to smother a ball, they will dive full length to make it. Most of our players will throw an arm up and turn their back so they don't get hurt. If there is an opportunity to chase an opponent, they will hunt them down or bust a gut trying. Our blokes as a rule will put in a token chase. If an opponent wins the ball, 2 or 3 of them will rush to apply pressure. We corral or attempt to pressure from 4 metres away.
Collingwood, St Kilda, Essendon** and Sydney currently play with that intensity on a week to week basis. The players feed off seeing their mates sacrifice for the team. And they truly celebrate and value effort over talent. We've said it numerous times, we don't have that hunger.

The reality is very few teams can maintain it other than Sydney. It's in the DNA of their football club. The Pies have played that way for 12 months and Essendon**/St Kilda are currently there. But who can maintain it? Melbourne had it for 12 months then fell away. Richmond had it for 3 or 4 years but it's fallen away. Geelong had it for 20 games and it's evaporated.

Ideally you want that attitude mid season to take you into the finals. Vossy needs to find the key to unlock the correct mindset.
Our leaders need to sacrifice and to recognise effort should be celebrated over talent.
We have the talent to beat any of them. But until we lift the intensity and our leaders truly lead by example, sadly we'll be a middle of the road team.
But the advantage is with us. You can control effort. You can control intensity and desire. You can't lift your skill and ability above its current level in the short term.
If we play with the right mindset, I believe we can beat any of them.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:25 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Our positioning at centre bounces is bizarre. Cripps starts 10 metres from the ruckman and allows his opponent ball side to block him out. NM and Adelaide have done it well. It's very unusual for the ball to fall outside a 3m diameter of the rucks and Cripps is allowing himself to be shielded from that zone. His strength is working in the space and taking the ball on the move. LDU has become a great exponent of the art.
I'm unsure if it's instruction or strange decision making on Crippa's behalf but he needs to sort it out asap. We should have him taking he inside ball, a defensive cover and a negator. Why complicate it?


See - we can see these things, so why can’t our coaches? It’s bizarre.


Of course the coaches can see it. They're the ones who told the players where to position themselves. They train for it all week.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:17 am 
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Our entire centre clearance game is built around Cripps, when the opposition stop Cripps we have no plan b, we just keep trying to get it to Cripps.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:17 am 
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Out: Pittonet, Plowman and friends
In S Durdin and a runner

Young and Weitering to share interceptor role with Young doing the ruck chop out.

Raffle the other changes, don’t see McGovern being fit this side of the break


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