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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:56 pm 
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I literally can't even fathom as to why people would not want us fighting this as far as we can.
It says the club gives a $h!t about the players and wants to play finals.
As for Cripps motivating the team, I'm pretty sure him playing will motivate them more than any feel good speech.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:09 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
Or you could interpret this as a wise distraction from our poor form which could have a negative impact on the players if that's all that was talked about all week instead of this case?


No my point on Cripps motivating the players (and other things) is what should distract them from the "negative impact" of their poor form

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:12 pm 
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Mil Hanna wrote:
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Yes we can - AFL has extended deadline for us to decide to 5:30 PM according to SEN.

On what grounds can we appeal and is it realistic?


On the grounds that the MRO is a complete and utter joke run by an ex-filth clown and that the AFL's Tribunal is made up of out of touch has beens that are a total bunch of @#$%&! pricks?


I reckon the club must have read my post and thought "This dude has a very valid point.....@#$%&! it, we're appealing - this shit is a slam dunk!".

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:13 pm 
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A large chunk of whose time and focus? Don't we just get the lawyers on the job while the coaches and players hit the training ground?


I thinks its very naïve to think players et al just switch off on such events and focus on their training etc. No way. Especially our team who still shows mental fragility. Case in point is the last two games performances. Yes other factors were at play, but the mentality side cannot be disregarded as also a significant factor in those (and other) losses.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:23 pm 
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BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
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A large chunk of whose time and focus? Don't we just get the lawyers on the job while the coaches and players hit the training ground?


I thinks its very naïve to think players et al just switch off on such events and focus on their training etc. No way. Especially our team who still shows mental fragility. Case in point is the last two games performances. Yes other factors were at play, but the mentality side cannot be disregarded as also a significant factor in those (and other) losses.


On the contrary, I think given their mental fragility they would see it as a welcome distraction compared to a week of negative media focusing on poor player efforts, the futures of players on the line, the risk of 2022 being a complete failure etc.

I see it as a win-win. Cripps wins, he plays and we get a boost. Cripps loses, the players rally for their Captain against the injustice.

What a great story it would be if we can crack it for a win and Cripps gets to play his first final.

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Fair play, throw the kitchen sink at it.

Won't make a lick of difference. A guy got knocked out. He gets 2.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:38 am 
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bluehammer wrote:
Fair play, throw the kitchen sink at it.

Won't make a lick of difference. A guy got knocked out. He gets 2.


Yeah , thats correct . The concussion rule....................but I'm glad the Club is having a go . We have been timid and meek for too long . About time this club flexed its muscles and made our presence felt . Make 'em think twice next time .

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:40 am 
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IMO this is distracting the club coach, staff and most importantly the players too much.

When was the last time an appeal like this was actually rewarded in any clubs favor?

At best and generously, its maybe a handful of times over a long long time.

The time could and should have been to use Cripps to motivate the team as a leader does and the MC to devise appropriate game play and selection strategy based on Cripps unavailability for this AND next week.

Yes I understand they may well still do that, but my point remains a large chunck of time and focus has been diverted to a lose lose gamble....



On the flip side, the players, like the supporters will see the club will fight tooth and nail to support their players when an injustice has been made.

I would be spewing if we didnt contest. Its time we drew a line in the sand, and stop being easy beats who just sit there and cop every unjust decision...see Plowman, see Hayes...there's plenty of other similar contests that have been let off. Why? Because we've sat their and taken the abuse. We had a debt to the AFL following the unprecedented penalties 2 Carlton hating Commissioners hit Carlton with when other Commissioners did not support their stance...I'm talking Evans and Demetriou.

Both players' feet were off the ground...because both players committed to winning the ball.

Bump or not is the argument? Gleeson says it was a classic bump. If he really thinks that he has no idea what a classic bump is. The arms were not tucked in to give a bump. How does Gleeson win that argument when its just his attempt to sway the court with emotive descriptions.

By appealing ahain, these bullies in the AFL will think twice about making Carlton an example because their reputation will be dragged through the coals.

Have a guess why there's still a soft cap? Because it makes things tight to appeal and cop the $10K cost in doing so, because it goes towards the soft cap. So tight it deters clubs to seek justice. Oldest trick in the book is to impoverish or deweaponise, then attack. Putin like behaviour. take away the nuclear weapons from Ukraine, then 20 years latere just attack them with the threat of nuclear devastation on the country if they dont submit.

The AFL Commission is corrupt and lacks accountability because there is no transparency.

Well done Carlton FC.

Stuff the corrupt officials in the AFL.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:41 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
I literally can't even fathom as to why people would not want us fighting this as far as we can.
It says the club gives a $h!t about the players and wants to play finals.
As for Cripps motivating the team, I'm pretty sure him playing will motivate them more than any feel good speech.



Right on !!!! and to the previous couple of posts

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:43 am 
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The tribunal's reasoning behind their decision was nonsense on stilts.
The club has done the right thing by appealing if only to force them to come up with something that actually makes sense.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:45 am 
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Fair play, throw the kitchen sink at it.

Won't make a lick of difference. A guy got knocked out. He gets 2.



Because it is proven to be a football act, and not a bump, it may be reduced for that and 1 week given because of the concussion.

I know that may imply, he's innocent and therefore concussion was an accident in a football act, but we are dealing with he AFL here.

The AFL had already decided Cripps would be the new precedent, and Carlton can be the victim to set an example.

It wasn't a Bump!!

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Yeah I just don't like the comment he could have contested in a different way. There are many, many ways he could have contested that could have caused far more damage. Its not just a case of stop or go.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:46 am 
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Thats the way boys . Getting nice and agro and defiant . The Club is back on its feet .

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:52 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
Fair play, throw the kitchen sink at it.

Won't make a lick of difference. A guy got knocked out. He gets 2.



Because it is proven to be a football act, and not a bump, it may be reduced for that and 1 week given because of the concussion.

I know that may imply, he's innocent and therefore concussion was an accident in a football act, but we are dealing with he AFL here.

The AFL had already decided Cripps would be the new precedent, and Carlton can be the victim to set an example.

It wasn't a Bump!!



That's what has pissed me off about the coverage, "Carlton captain in trouble for bump" was what the media went with.
Cripps didn't line the bloke up with the intent to knock him into next week. He attacked the ball hard and his opponent was accidentally concussed, which I'm not convinced wasn't from hitting the ground rather than the initial contact.

As an aside I've seen peanuts on Twitter saying things like "How would Carlton supporters react if Robinson had done the same thing to Cripps?"
Well, Robinson tried, but he bounced off Cripps.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:06 am 
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All this just confirms the AFL's bullshit stance of decisions being made on outcomes. Therefore now we know that if you are the bigger player especially the ruckman you can't go for a contested ball unless the opposition player is of equal size and not likely to be concussed. What is this game?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:18 am 
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carntheblues wrote:
All this just confirms the AFL's bullshit stance of decisions being made on outcomes


Yep - we have known that for quite some time. So whilst I admire the club for contesting, and think the ruling is bollocks, I don't think he'll get any reduction at all.

The question I'd really like to know the answer to is what happens if a player is concussed by Jeremy Howe's knee to the back of his head as he takes an obligatory hanger?

Football action, accident, we don't want high marking taken out of our game.

So where do you go?

But just because we all think it's ridiculous that an outcome determines penalty, doesn't mean it won't tonight.

Alistair Lynch should count himself unlucky. Finished his career with a 10 week suspension and barely connected on anything...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:57 am 
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Even though I think Cripps is guilty if there is still an avenue to fight this prejudiced system take it.

Show he players that the club will fight the system as far as it can.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:03 am 
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Even though I think Cripps is guilty if there is still an avenue to fight this prejudiced system take it.

Show he players that the club will fight the system as far as it can.


Agree with this and I'll keep harping on it because I think it's important.
We need to show ALL our players we'd fight for them regardless of who it is.
That's why we were wrong not to contest the Hayes suspension.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:16 am 
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That's why we were wrong not to contest the Hayes suspension.


That one pissed me off more than Cripps to be honest.
It was a legitimate and fair tackle made "dangerous" because the tackled player threw his free arm out to draw the umpire's attention rather than using it to brace his fall.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:33 am 
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Wojee wrote:
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That's why we were wrong not to contest the Hayes suspension.


That one pissed me off more than Cripps to be honest.
It was a legitimate and fair tackle made "dangerous" because the tackled player threw his free arm out to draw the umpire's attention rather than using it to brace his fall.

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