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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 7:49 am 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:38 am 
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Can't see any world where Jack agrees to a rest. There's players coming back, now is his time to cash in. He won't want to be sitting on the sidelines.

Has been our biggest warrior this year and deserves his spot. Fabric of the club.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:20 am 
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Can't see any world where Jack agrees to a rest. There's players coming back, now is his time to cash in. He won't want to be sitting on the sidelines.

Has been our biggest warrior this year and deserves his spot. Fabric of the club.


At some point, obviously not now, but maybe pre season they ought to give him a go down back, just to add another string to his bow. We don't have many players (tall players) who can play either end. He is obviously not genuine KPP but can play on the 3rd tall. Would be a benefit for the team if he could play either end, in case of emergencies in game. If we had another proven ruck on our list this year SOS could well have been deployed down back when we had all out tall backs injured.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:39 am 
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It'll be interesting to see if Dow comes in.

Club have repeatedly said he misses out simply because there are too many onballers.
Well Hewett is said to be out again. So surely if the club are fair dinkum then Dow comes in.
Otherwise, it seems the club have Setterfield ahead of Dow. Mind you 40 touches in VFL is not to be sneezed at.

But anyhow let's see how the team looks later today.

The longer Dow is out of the senior side the harder it is to see him at Carlton in 2023.

I imagine the club would like another draft pick if they could get one.
Might add one for Dow and one for Jones.
Gives us a neat hand on draft night.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:42 am 
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malbi wrote:
In: Pittonet, Dow
Out: Honey, Motlop

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No Owies?

Just one small forward?

If that is the case then either Fisher plays small forward and Dow plays midfield, or they figure Dow as a small forward come midfielder will give us about as much as Motlop has recently given us which isn't a great deal. Dow might be good for one goal playing half the game as a small forward. Rotate Dow and Fish?

But I am guessing your post was just a guess as opposed to being based off good intel.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:53 am 
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bluehammer wrote:
Can't see any world where Jack agrees to a rest. There's players coming back, now is his time to cash in. He won't want to be sitting on the sidelines.

Has been our biggest warrior this year and deserves his spot. Fabric of the club.


At some point, obviously not now, but maybe pre season they ought to give him a go down back, just to add another string to his bow. We don't have many players (tall players) who can play either end. He is obviously not genuine KPP but can play on the 3rd tall. Would be a benefit for the team if he could play either end, in case of emergencies in game. If we had another proven ruck on our list this year SOS could well have been deployed down back when we had all out tall backs injured.


I agree, I'd have Jack ahead of Kemp for the 3rd tall role. I'd pick Jack ahead of Oscar too if we had that luxury.

Jack developed into a good endurance runner, and earned a spot in the midfield tagging Fyfe successfully a few years back. I'm a fan of him playing as a big bodied inside mid like Cripps.
However, his closing speed imo is nowhere near McGoverns or Marchbanks....that's based on eye test only. But with those 2 missing, Jack's next for me too.

Jack is all heart ( a warrior) and we have witnessed him chase down players, either slower than him, or not aware of Jacks determination and persistence in the chase.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:59 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if Dow comes in.

Club have repeatedly said he misses out simply because there are too many onballers.
Well Hewett is said to be out again. So surely if the club are fair dinkum then Dow comes in.
Otherwise, it seems the club have Setterfield ahead of Dow. Mind you 40 touches in VFL is not to be sneezed at.

But anyhow let's see how the team looks later today.

The longer Dow is out of the senior side the harder it is to see him at Carlton in 2023.

I imagine the club would like another draft pick if they could get one.
Might add one for Dow and one for Jones.
Gives us a neat hand on draft night.


I know Dow loves his team mates and Carlton too. He hasn't lived to expectations.
We Traded in Cerra who was selected after Dow in same Draft.
We Traded for Hewett for the inside role, which Dow was earmarked for.

Are we deliberately driving Dow to look for another club, like we did with Tuohy?

If we dont get a great offer, we keep him, and possibly lose him cheap end of next year?
Win win imo

If we keep him because an offer is unders, he may have a break out year in 2023, and we keep him with his mates.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:29 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
malbi wrote:
In: Pittonet, Dow
Out: Honey, Motlop

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No Owies?

Just one small forward?

If that is the case then either Fisher plays small forward and Dow plays midfield, or they figure Dow as a small forward come midfielder will give us about as much as Motlop has recently given us which isn't a great deal. Dow might be good for one goal playing half the game as a small forward. Rotate Dow and Fish?

But I am guessing your post was just a guess as opposed to being based off good intel.


Similar to how we played early in the year.

If Voss thinks it's our best structure then he needs to make it happen now with only 4 weeks left

Dow will play midfield only and I assume Walsh, Cerra will rotate through the forward line. I like Dow coming in as he compliments our mids with some breakaway speed.

Cripps Kennedy Walsh Cerra Dow is a very good mix


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:49 am 
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malbi wrote:
In: Pittonet, Dow
Out: Honey, Motlop


If these are right

B: Docherty Young McGovern
HB: Plowman Weitering Saad
C: Setterfield Cripps O'Brien
HF: Cerra McKay Fisher
F: Silvagni Curnow Durdin
Foll: Pittonet Kennedy Walsh
Int: TDK Dow Newman Cottrell (Marchbank)

Looks very balanced to me and has lots of options and flexibility. I do like the extra size going into finals

With Owies Martin maybe Williams back this week or next along with Hayes it just gets better and better


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:54 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
malbi wrote:
In: Pittonet, Dow
Out: Honey, Motlop

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No Owies?

Just one small forward?

If that is the case then either Fisher plays small forward and Dow plays midfield, or they figure Dow as a small forward come midfielder will give us about as much as Motlop has recently given us which isn't a great deal. Dow might be good for one goal playing half the game as a small forward. Rotate Dow and Fish?

But I am guessing your post was just a guess as opposed to being based off good intel.


Similar to how we played early in the year.

If Voss thinks it's our best structure then he needs to make it happen now with only 4 weeks left

Dow will play midfield only and I assume Walsh, Cerra will rotate through the forward line. I like Dow coming in as he compliments our mids with some breakaway speed.

Cripps Kennedy Walsh Cerra Dow is a very good mix


Agree re. Dow. As good as our midfield is, it's a bit one paced. We don't have any real powerful burst out of the stoppage, which is Dow's biggest strength

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:25 am 
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I go to the VFL as much as possible. Dow has really impressed me this year. Definitely stronger and is working hard both ways. Looks as fit as he has been.

Been interesting to watch how the coaches work with him during the breaks. They believe he will be best 22 before long. Just fixing some small issues and importantly getting his confidence up so when he plays he will be ready.

Dow reaching his potential makes us a lot better and as Voss has said it's not about this year it's about the bigger picture


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:26 am 
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jake_h03 wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
malbi wrote:
In: Pittonet, Dow
Out: Honey, Motlop

Sent from my SM-G970F using Tapatalk


No Owies?

Just one small forward?

If that is the case then either Fisher plays small forward and Dow plays midfield, or they figure Dow as a small forward come midfielder will give us about as much as Motlop has recently given us which isn't a great deal. Dow might be good for one goal playing half the game as a small forward. Rotate Dow and Fish?

But I am guessing your post was just a guess as opposed to being based off good intel.


Similar to how we played early in the year.

If Voss thinks it's our best structure then he needs to make it happen now with only 4 weeks left

Dow will play midfield only and I assume Walsh, Cerra will rotate through the forward line. I like Dow coming in as he compliments our mids with some breakaway speed.

Cripps Kennedy Walsh Cerra Dow is a very good mix


Agree re. Dow. As good as our midfield is, it's a bit one paced. We don't have any real powerful burst out of the stoppage, which is Dow's biggest strength



Yes when we are beaten in the middle its often our inability to apply pressure outside due to our one passed plodding midfield and when we have the ball our inability to break free again because the mid group is one paced, hence why we look better when Fish moves into the midfield, but I think Dow provides more strength as well as that break away speed.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:35 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
malbi wrote:
In: Pittonet, Dow
Out: Honey, Motlop

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Sauce?
It is just my opinion as is most of this site. I like the way people have run with it though.

None of Honey, Motlop, Owies and Durdin have done enough for mine. I just think we are missing out on Dow's hard body and fast run. We would be silly not to try adding him to the mix before the finals. Everyone else has been tried multiple times.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:36 am 
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jake_h03 wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
malbi wrote:
In: Pittonet, Dow
Out: Honey, Motlop

Sent from my SM-G970F using Tapatalk


No Owies?

Just one small forward?

If that is the case then either Fisher plays small forward and Dow plays midfield, or they figure Dow as a small forward come midfielder will give us about as much as Motlop has recently given us which isn't a great deal. Dow might be good for one goal playing half the game as a small forward. Rotate Dow and Fish?

But I am guessing your post was just a guess as opposed to being based off good intel.


Similar to how we played early in the year.

If Voss thinks it's our best structure then he needs to make it happen now with only 4 weeks left

Dow will play midfield only and I assume Walsh, Cerra will rotate through the forward line. I like Dow coming in as he compliments our mids with some breakaway speed.

Cripps Kennedy Walsh Cerra Dow is a very good mix


Agree re. Dow. As good as our midfield is, it's a bit one paced. We don't have any real powerful burst out of the stoppage, which is Dow's biggest strength


100%. As much as I love Cripps Kennedy & Hewett they are slow. We need some leg speed around them


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:45 am 
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The coach of the VFL team wrote a very nice review of Dow's last game.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:47 am 
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I can't see many, if any changes are a good win.

My only thought is they will want to get Pittonet in as he will be important come finals


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 12:33 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
malbi wrote:
In: Pittonet, Dow
Out: Honey, Motlop

Sent from my SM-G970F using Tapatalk


No Owies?

Just one small forward?

If that is the case then either Fisher plays small forward and Dow plays midfield, or they figure Dow as a small forward come midfielder will give us about as much as Motlop has recently given us which isn't a great deal. Dow might be good for one goal playing half the game as a small forward. Rotate Dow and Fish?

But I am guessing your post was just a guess as opposed to being based off good intel.


Similar to how we played early in the year.

If Voss thinks it's our best structure then he needs to make it happen now with only 4 weeks left

Dow will play midfield only and I assume Walsh, Cerra will rotate through the forward line. I like Dow coming in as he compliments our mids with some breakaway speed.

Cripps Kennedy Walsh Cerra Dow is a very good mix


Agree re. Dow. As good as our midfield is, it's a bit one paced. We don't have any real powerful burst out of the stoppage, which is Dow's biggest strength


100%. As much as I love Cripps Kennedy & Hewett they are slow. We need some leg speed around them


Hewett knows how to run out of trouble to get a good kick in.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 12:47 pm 
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I think Dow provides more strength as well as that break away speed.


True but he doesn't use it. In the VFL he bursts from stoppages beautifully. Put him in the AFL and he handballs to the first person he sees. Whether they are under pressure on not. It's between his ears that he needs to improve. I've been one of Dows biggest supporters when most others had given up on him but the onus is on him. Play to your strengths or accept others will take your position.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 12:53 pm 
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Heard on SEN this morning their local punting advertiser (dont care who they are) have tipped Adelaide upsetting us this weekend.

After the season we have given .. still no one respects us

Come on Blues, Belt these guys


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 12:58 pm 
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Heard on SEN this morning their local punting advertiser (dont care who they are) have tipped Adelaide upsetting us this weekend.

After the season we have given .. still no one respects us

Come on Blues, Belt these guys
Yep. Pretty much every round we're supposed to be the upset of the round.


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