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 Post subject: Re: EGM
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:05 pm 
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Rocco Iguana wrote:
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We sacked a coach with a year to go on his contract because of the hope of picking up Clarkson


No we didn’t. We made an evidence-based decision to sack Teague following a 12 week independent review of an underperforming football department.


A review without so much as a glance at the underlying governance process and decision making that has underpinned a merry go round of coaches and poor performance is nothing more that window dressing. The ‘review’ would be exhibit A if Teague bothered to take the club ti Fairwork Australia


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You won’t get an argument from me that the club has made poor choices in the past, but you said we sacked Teague because we hoped to pick up Clarkson. What evidence do you have of that? What we do have is an independent review on the workings of an underperforming football department. Following that report, changes have been made to the coaching staff and to the board.

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 Post subject: EGM
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:07 pm 
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This is directed to thryleon or anyone else who is advocating for this EGM. It is a genuine request for answers as a long-standing member of the club:

How is the ticket going to make us a more attractive destination for coaches and players from other clubs? Please provide specifics, including reference to the particular background, experience & skill sets of each candidate and how they will improve our club.

Please don’t speak in general terms or refer to historical events which cannot be changed, please give details of the ticket’s plan for the next 10 years and the credentials of each member of the ticket. I don’t want you to tell me what’s wrong with the current board. I want you to explain to me why the ticket members are the best people to run my football club and exactly what they intend to do if elected.

Also, please explain the timing of your challenge, noting that it is occurring during the trade period. Why is it in the best interests of the club to hold an EGM in October?


I am a nobody and cannot anwer any of your queries.

All I know, is that i have seen this board tighten their stranglehold on the club, and fail to hold themselves accountable for anything they have done to deliberately hinder the process of the football team being managed.

When Teague was appointed, Judds training wheels comments with his media hat on, saw him undermine the sitting senior coach publically possibly to manipulate the decision making process. He may have disagreed with the decision to appoint Teague, but its clear that the board failed to unite on this subject.

We go through a process to appoint Bolton, remove Neil Craig after 2 years, and then wonder why Bolton starts to go backwards with list turnover after list turnover.

We have Teague coach 50 games in 2.5 years, garner a rather impressive winning record for a club with 8 years of losing culture to contend with and over turn, and just as things were getting to the halfway mark of his tenure, we decide to pull the rug out from under him. I am not absolving Teague for his tactical short comings. The term defense wins championships has been around for a lot longer than he has been coaching or playing football, but to look at the way we have decided to oust senior coach after senior coach, and then let John Barker sit underneath all of them failing time after time is just one reason why this mob have proven they are not up to it.

To question the timing of the EGM is warranted. It should have happened years ago, and has been on the cards from February of this year, so to see the club perform in true Carlton Football Club fashion has simply triggered the faithful to state, enough is enough:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/car ... 56zb9.html

Mick Malthouse has the following to say:

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/11/ ... -pressure/

And in a new article in the Herald Sun:

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... ecf95b8af9

Rather than waiting for the board to change its ways (which it has only to continually arrive at the same outcome) its time to change the board.


When you talk about “the board” who are you actually talking about? Remember half the board are brand new with no history to refer to.

While the EGM may change the membership of the board, it will still be the board.


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 Post subject: EGM
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:48 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
thryleon wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
This is directed to thryleon or anyone else who is advocating for this EGM. It is a genuine request for answers as a long-standing member of the club:

How is the ticket going to make us a more attractive destination for coaches and players from other clubs? Please provide specifics, including reference to the particular background, experience & skill sets of each candidate and how they will improve our club.

Please don’t speak in general terms or refer to historical events which cannot be changed, please give details of the ticket’s plan for the next 10 years and the credentials of each member of the ticket. I don’t want you to tell me what’s wrong with the current board. I want you to explain to me why the ticket members are the best people to run my football club and exactly what they intend to do if elected.

Also, please explain the timing of your challenge, noting that it is occurring during the trade period. Why is it in the best interests of the club to hold an EGM in October?


I am a nobody and cannot anwer any of your queries.

All I know, is that i have seen this board tighten their stranglehold on the club, and fail to hold themselves accountable for anything they have done to deliberately hinder the process of the football team being managed.

When Teague was appointed, Judds training wheels comments with his media hat on, saw him undermine the sitting senior coach publically possibly to manipulate the decision making process. He may have disagreed with the decision to appoint Teague, but its clear that the board failed to unite on this subject.

We go through a process to appoint Bolton, remove Neil Craig after 2 years, and then wonder why Bolton starts to go backwards with list turnover after list turnover.

We have Teague coach 50 games in 2.5 years, garner a rather impressive winning record for a club with 8 years of losing culture to contend with and over turn, and just as things were getting to the halfway mark of his tenure, we decide to pull the rug out from under him. I am not absolving Teague for his tactical short comings. The term defense wins championships has been around for a lot longer than he has been coaching or playing football, but to look at the way we have decided to oust senior coach after senior coach, and then let John Barker sit underneath all of them failing time after time is just one reason why this mob have proven they are not up to it.

To question the timing of the EGM is warranted. It should have happened years ago, and has been on the cards from February of this year, so to see the club perform in true Carlton Football Club fashion has simply triggered the faithful to state, enough is enough:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/car ... 56zb9.html

Mick Malthouse has the following to say:

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/11/ ... -pressure/

And in a new article in the Herald Sun:

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... ecf95b8af9

Rather than waiting for the board to change its ways (which it has only to continually arrive at the same outcome) its time to change the board.


When you talk about “the board” who are you actually talking about? Remember half the board are brand new with no history to refer to.

While the EGM may change the membership of the board, it will still be the board.


An egm will allow me to consider the merits of each and every candidate to run my/our football club and not by a committee of the board’s own which is what we have.


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 Post subject: Re: EGM
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:50 pm 
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Rocky Henderson wrote:
thryleon wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
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What Carlton needs is some stability. Decreases uncertainty, promotes unity.


thryleon wrote:
Ive had enough of the crap. Time for real change.


So you want stability by calling an EGM and pushing the cause of faceless nobodies?

Do you understand why I'd have concerns? Especially coming from a poster who posted 4 times in 9 years, suddenly posting 80+ times in a week, agitating for an EGM.
Maybe I've become overly sceptical in my old age. :wink:


Skepticism is fine.

Real change means pushing out those who have over seen one disaster after another and done nothing to change it.

Im come from the Carlton supporters club forum over some rather personal differences where I've been a daily contributor for quite some time, and I had the same user name there.


As for the points about stability being contradictory lets review. This mob have sacked 4 senior coaches in 10 years with the longest stint going to the biggest amateur.

As for the rest, I'm under no illusions the forums are here for people to vent, not to garner public support. Don't over rate yourself or myself. We are nobodies.


Any body with half a brain could figure it's not the coaches fault that we can't draft.

Just sacking the coach isn't going to improve the performance.
Why has the drafting been so poor, why has the development been so poor?

We clearly have issues of those responsible for failings haven't been held to account.
Just because you make the club financially successful doe's not mean it translate's to onfield success.

If you're happy with a rotten mess and an out of touch board then be my guest.

Why not have a completely open and independent review, the only reason you'd keep it quite is that your trying to hide something.

The reality is we should be playing finals now. - It's Teague's fault? I don't think so.
How after 3 years is he to blame for poor list management? Any body? Tell me how.

This stinks


Did you miss the part about half the board moving on? The list manager being replaced in the last 18 months? 3 assistant coaches moving on?
There were 20+ recommendations in the report and only a few related to the senior coach. :?

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 Post subject: Re: EGM
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:04 pm 
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20 + recommendations could have been under Sayers orders he is afterall a politician wannabe and comes across as full of shit.

1. Find scapegoat for my own failings
2. Find scapegoat for my own failings

These are the 20+ recommendations until they aren't. I haven't seen them - Sayers talks about transparency. Again the bloke is full of shit working in the shadows to push his own agenda.

It's finals or bust for him and the sword will be on his throat all year.


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 Post subject: Re: EGM
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:10 pm 
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Yep. He's read the recommendations and you haven't.
Therefore I'm backing the informed view.

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 Post subject: Re: EGM
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:14 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Yep. He's read the recommendations and you haven't.
Therefore I'm backing the informed view.


More like Judd didn't want to hire and sack Teague and Sayers is parroting everything Judd was saying and built a non tranparent mirage called the review.

Funnily enough neither Judd nor Sayers have coaching experience.


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 Post subject: Re: EGM
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:25 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Yep. He's read the recommendations and you haven't.
Therefore I'm backing the informed view.


More like Judd didn't want to hire and sack Teague and Sayers is parroting everything Judd was saying and built a non tranparent mirage called the review.

Funnily enough neither Judd nor Sayers have coaching experience.


Bitter and twisted much :screwy: :screwy:

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 Post subject: Re: EGM
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:35 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Yep. He's read the recommendations and you haven't.
Therefore I'm backing the informed view.


More like Judd didn't want to hire and sack Teague and Sayers is parroting everything Judd was saying and built a non tranparent mirage called the review.


I'm happy to debate the point but give me more than unsubstantiated opinion, Walsh. Do you have anything that can be verified?
Anything? :?

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 Post subject: Re: EGM
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:18 pm 
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I doubt we will ever see a less popular alternative ticket to challenge an incumbent board. What a colossal waste of time and money.


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 Post subject: EGM
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:57 pm 
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JK wrote:
I doubt we will ever see a less popular alternative ticket to challenge an incumbent board. What a colossal waste of time and money.


What ticket? Still haven’t seen who is in it. Worst strategy ever.


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 Post subject: Re: EGM
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:58 pm 
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They are embarrassing themselves


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 Post subject: Re: EGM
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 Post subject: Re: EGM
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:08 pm 
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:lol:

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 Post subject: Re: EGM
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:11 pm 
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The children of the Save Fev rally would be in their 20s now...maybe it's them

I mean, the Venn diagram is a circle yeah?

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 Post subject: Re: EGM
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The children of the Save Fev rally would be in their 20s now...maybe it's them



:lol:

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 Post subject: Re: EGM
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:01 pm 
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I mean, the Vince diagram is a circle yeah?

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 Post subject: Re: EGM
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:44 am 
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Why is Sayers giving them so much time to campaign?

He should’ve called the EGM for next week.

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 Post subject: Re: EGM
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:30 am 
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I had a look at the webpage of Loccisano team.
It's a Facebook page of every negative article about Carlton in H-S or Age, with a comment about how bad things are.
I have met Vince before. Can't say I know well. He is a genuine Carlton tragic and nice guy.
But this seems a bit personal to me.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:59 am 
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I had a look at the webpage of Loccisano team.
It's a Facebook page of every negative article about Carlton in H-S or Age, with a comment about how bad things are.
I have met Vince before. Can't say I know well. He is a genuine Carlton tragic and nice guy.
But this seems a bit personal to me.


So in a shock to no-one, no suggestions for solutions, only yelling at clouds?

Definitely personal. I sense someone is butthurt to not be a coterie anymore.

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