New coach discussion and poll

Humpers · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:28 pm **Posts:** 5051

I'd be happy with Ross Lyon - otherwise Chris Scott might be the next best option. He seemed to get the most from the talent at his disposal at North.

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17333

toddkurnski · **Joined:** Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:27 am **Posts:** 3581

The problem for Ratten will be there will be absolutely no grace period from the media or fans. It’s romantic until the losses start. It will turn very quickly. A slow start and the narrative will be why did we bring back an already failed coach.

I’m not saying that’s what I believe or that’s correct. Just what I can foresee happening. It’s a big risk for both Ratten and Carlton if it fails quickly a second time.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:28 pm

I have yet to decide who my preference for the senior coach job.

So many options.
Experienced coach vs assistant coach
All options for coach have positives and negatives.

I have my bias position:
LYon too defensive
Clarkson average without Hodge Mitchell & Lewis.
Ratten been there done that
Scott angry ant, and discarded for a reason.

All assistant coaches are all unknown and therefore inexperienced
Bolton had 100% win rate as acting coach of Hawks, albeit only 5 games.
Makes Bolton more qualified than current assistants when he was selected as coach.

What I do know is the future coach knows he has a rebuilt list.
Carlton is not a start up.

Most of the list is under 24yo.
Just needs topping up with senior bodies

Trade or Free Agency, doesn't matter. It will happen.
North did it with Scott at the helm, but injury got the better of them.
Remember them winning first 11 games of the season.
They topped up with Waite and Higgins.

Carlton is a destination club for any coach.
60,000 members.
Cripps Docherty as captains.
20 young 1st round players.

Licking lips. Flag for the taking.

Dodo27 · **Posted:** Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:30 pm

Have we not tried them all in recent years? :donk:

If we go for an experienced hard edge Coach such as Roos or Clarkson or Mathews, well we have already tried Malthouse and that failed miserably...

If we go for a young upcoming Coach such as Hodge, Mitchell, Ratts etc, well we already tried Bolton and it failed miserably....

I would personally stay away from any coach who is a graduate of the Hawthorn School, because Clarko's style does not suit us and does not work for us.

I also would stay away from Scott.... I can't see him doing anything special with this average list we got....

camel · **Posted:** Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:33 pm

I think the question needs to be asked, do we go experienced or untried?

The quick response would be experienced. And it does seem like the board will be hoping for/expecting finals in 2–3 years, which might tend to be further inclined to head towards experienced.

I don't think Roos is a good option. Can we attract a current coach?

Choosing a Voss/Ratten option would take a lot of courage, if it didn't work out the reaction and hindsight judgement would be savage.

Simspon.
Hardwick.
Beveridge.

Clearly the timelines vary, but the last three flags have been won by untried coaches.

I'm yet to form a firm opinion. Other than no Roos. Beyond that I have NFI what the right direction is right now.

:confused:

aboynamedsue · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm **Posts:** 6047

It’s a resounding NOOOOOOOOOOOO from me for -

Ratten
Roos
Scott
Voss

billc3 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:41 pm **Posts:** 4629

CK95 wrote:

I believe our current game plan was sourced from Werribee...

GOLD...

I haven't cracked a smile since 3:30 yesterday and I did just then...
Thanks :lol:

Go Blues

AGRO · **Posted:** Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:55 pm

aboynamedsue wrote:

It’s a resounding NOOOOOOOOOOOO from me for -

Ratten
Roos
Scott
Voss

Roos essentially ruled himself out on “On the Couch” just now.

camel · **Posted:** Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:56 pm

AGRO wrote:

aboynamedsue wrote:

It’s a resounding NOOOOOOOOOOOO from me for -

Ratten
Roos
Scott
Voss

Roos essentially ruled himself out on “On the Couch” just now.

Didn't rule himself out completely, though. Senior coach, yes, but it sounded like he'd be open to a role under the right circumstances and encouraged Carlton to be creative in their approach.

camel · **Posted:** Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:07 pm

Andrew Walker wears two hats…

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/06/03/ ... ior-coach/

Quote:

“They would have to look at him [Ratten],” he told SEN’s Time On.

“He’s coached at senior level and had results; you can only go off those results. Our 2011 season was the most exciting brand of footy that I've played.

“That 2012 year we were really struggling with injuries towards the end of the year and we still managed to finish just outside the eight.

“I thought he was a great coach and great for developing young players.”

cortez · **Joined:** Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:49 pm **Posts:** 1170

bluegirl72 wrote:

DocSherrin III wrote:

aboynamedsue wrote:

What is Ross Lyon’s contractual situation? He’s connected with some influential people at the club (Brad Lloyd, SOS, Walls). I would prefer him over Ratten or Scott.

I would welcome him back. He'd be my choice of the senior coaches who might be available. Has 1 year to run in Freo.

Creep
Jerk
Smug..thinks he is the greatest coach despite the facts.
Revolting at pressers...back to a coach like that???
Stifling God awful game plan.
We already hate the fact our players are stifled.
He is a gazillion times more anal than Bolts was.
Hideous
Hideous
Horrible.
Please
Dear God
No. Never.

I'm not as extreme as bluegirl regarding Lyon, but just no. "Stifling God awful game plan". Yep, my opinion of him for years.

GWS · **Posted:** Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:28 pm

I absolutely want us to win flags and soon but for the sake of the club maybe we need a coach (experienced or not) who will let our players loose?

Carlton supporters have been through a fairly tumultuous last 20 years.

Maybe we should hire a coach who can let our kids run free and crazy and play like an indigenous NT team?

Maybe if we just remove the shackles the talent that is there (or not there) will be evident.

Organisations and companies and teams often become great when they do things that the others aren’t doing.

Maybe this is the moment when we decide to drop the defensive mindset and go all out attack.

There’ll be people who say that’s no way to win a premiership and we remember the Geelong sides of the early 90s and it didn’t work for them but maybe the way to get ahead of the curve is to actually be ahead of the curve.

The AFL has become so sterile and bland over the last few years. For that I blame Roos and Lyon and all the other flowers who shut down creativity. Why you’d want one of them coaching you is beyond me.

If we want to be cutting edge then why not try something completely radical.

And if it doesn’t work and we don’t win a flag then at least we’ll have shitloads of joyous moments and a highlights reel worth watching and the knowledge that as a club we tried to shake up a very risk averse competition.

Time to inject a little Eddie Betts back into the DNA of the club.

Time to get positive.

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10882

GWS wrote:

I absolutely want us to win flags and soon but for the sake of the club maybe we need a coach (experienced or not) who will let our players loose?

Carlton supporters have been through a fairly tumultuous last 20 years.

Maybe we should hire a coach who can let our kids run free and crazy and play like an indigenous NT team?

Maybe if we just remove the shackles the talent that is there (or not there) will be evident.

Organisations and companies and teams often become great when they do things that the others aren’t doing.

Maybe this is the moment when we decide to drop the defensive mindset and go all out attack.

There’ll be people who say that’s no way to win a premiership and we remember the Geelong sides of the early 90s and it didn’t work for them but maybe the way to get ahead of the curve is to actually be ahead of the curve.

The AFL has become so sterile and bland over the last few years. For that I blame Roos and Lyon and all the other flowers who shut down creativity. Why you’d want one of them coaching you is beyond me.

If we want to be cutting edge then why not try something completely radical.

And if it doesn’t work and we don’t win a flag then at least we’ll have shitloads of joyous moments and a highlights reel worth watching and the knowledge that as a club we tried to shake up a very risk averse competition.

Time to inject a little Eddie Betts back into the DNA of the club.

Time to get positive.

Yes, yes, yes... :clap:

gasbill · **Posted:** Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:41 pm

bluegirl72 wrote:

DocSherrin III wrote:

aboynamedsue wrote:

What is Ross Lyon’s contractual situation? He’s connected with some influential people at the club (Brad Lloyd, SOS, Walls). I would prefer him over Ratten or Scott.

I would welcome him back. He'd be my choice of the senior coaches who might be available. Has 1 year to run in Freo.

Creep
Jerk
Smug..thinks he is the greatest coach despite the facts.
Revolting at pressers...back to a coach like that???
Stifling God awful game plan.
We already hate the fact our players are stifled.
He is a gazillion times more anal than Bolts was.
Hideous
Hideous
Horrible.
Please
Dear God
No. Never.

Couldn’t agree more, the thought of him makes me feel sick

gasbill · **Posted:** Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:46 pm

GWS wrote:

I absolutely want us to win flags and soon but for the sake of the club maybe we need a coach (experienced or not) who will let our players loose?

Carlton supporters have been through a fairly tumultuous last 20 years.

Maybe we should hire a coach who can let our kids run free and crazy and play like an indigenous NT team?

Maybe if we just remove the shackles the talent that is there (or not there) will be evident.

Organisations and companies and teams often become great when they do things that the others aren’t doing.

Maybe this is the moment when we decide to drop the defensive mindset and go all out attack.

There’ll be people who say that’s no way to win a premiership and we remember the Geelong sides of the early 90s and it didn’t work for them but maybe the way to get ahead of the curve is to actually be ahead of the curve.

The AFL has become so sterile and bland over the last few years. For that I blame Roos and Lyon and all the other flowers who shut down creativity. Why you’d want one of them coaching you is beyond me.

If we want to be cutting edge then why not try something completely radical.

And if it doesn’t work and we don’t win a flag then at least we’ll have shitloads of joyous moments and a highlights reel worth watching and the knowledge that as a club we tried to shake up a very risk averse competition.

Time to inject a little Eddie Betts back into the DNA of the club.

Time to get positive.

Cripps/Doc playing Capt/Coaches even.....but yes :thumbsup:

Wojee · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am **Posts:** 35141

Are people keen on Ratten because he's the best option, or because he's a favourite son who was shown the door?

bender · **Posted:** Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:51 pm

Rexy wrote:

Who would you like as the new Carlton coach ?

Norm Smith

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17333

gasbill wrote:

Couldn’t agree more, the thought of him makes me feel sick

Probably too defensively minded for our group - but definitely wouldn't judge a book by its cover when it comes to Lyon. Decent bloke. He and Worsfold definitely enjoyed their time as assistants at Carlton.

GWS wrote:

Maybe this is the moment when we decide to drop the defensive mindset and go all out attack.
Time to get positive.

I'm all for that... just need a Grundy-like ruckman, a Kelly-like midfielder (I don't mind which one) and a classy small forward.

JK · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:19 pm **Posts:** 2188

Harford and Teague together could make things fun again

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