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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:03 am 
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I didn't watch Melbourne's first round game, so I could not tell if their over possessive game, short kicking and handballing game was taught to them by new coach Goodwin, or they were forced to due to out team defence style.
The margin in the end was not a fair reflection of the game. At all.
That last quarter hurt, with some sloppy skill errors creating some goals from those turnovers.
Even then, some of their goals were not pretty and they got lucky with some.
This was a game that got away from us in the end and more luck in the last quarter the result could have been different.
BTW, what was the free kick count again?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:22 pm 
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The Dee's are the boom team,the flavour of the month,the media darlings etc etc .I dunno,not that good.In fact i reckon we should of got 'em and i am mighty pissed off that we didnt.I am pissed off coz we lost it than the Dees winning it.Handed the game to 'em on a platter...................however,there is light at the end of the tunnel.We have actually got kids into the joint that CAN play.The glaring weakness is not enough ball winners in the guts,or not enough run for that matter........Whats the answer ? i'll tell you whats the answer ,and thats throw caution to the wind and chuck these young tyro;s into the guts whether they are ready or not.Fortune favours the brave.Stop molly coddling these guys.We have been mucking around for far too long .PetSet and Pickers would thrive in there i reckon not to mention young Fisher.We gotta revamp the guts pronto in my opinion.Thats where the improvement is gotta come from for mine.And thats not criticizing Murphy or Gibbs who played very well for mine.We just gotta get more strings to our bow.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:31 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Watching the footy over the last few years the standard of fitness is through the roof but you can't replace it with footy smarts. We have so many dumb footballers.

Also A lot of blokes would be better off practising their non dominant side kicking rather than having another meeting and recovery session.
Murphy left footer in the last.
Some of the kicking for goal from set shots is nothing short of putrid.
Hogan still ha a worse hand to foot drop than Casboult.

Don't get me wrong I love the game ,but it's ironic that in many ways despite all the advancements over the last 15 years some of the skills haven't advanced at all


Whilst not wanting to derail the thread, I think the issue with kicking skills is (usually) fatigue related. The fitness levels required mean that something has to give. Critics also romanticise how good old eras were. Guys like SOS, Peter Dean, Kouta and many others were not elite kicks in the mid-90's. Mostly, they were average.

I agree clubs should put more time into kicking skills, particularly under fatigue. Don't just kick for goal at training. Run 2x200's at top pace and settle for 10 seconds then kick from a set position (with a man on the mark) inside 50 - wash, rinse and repeat - this would assist in kicking under fatigue/pressure no end.

Clubs don't do this because sports scientists are wary of the effects of kicking when fatigued and the likelihood of injury.

My point is kicking at goal 30 times in a row helps but it is much better with meaning and context (repeat runs and only one kick after it). Must have a man on the mark for set shots or team mates around providing pressure if on the run.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:39 pm 
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blues8182 wrote:
I reckon Bolton would be furious that no one talked to Docherty to let him know he was hot, and no one ran with him to provide a shepherd, never should have been left hanging like that, trying to make something happen.


Rowe was the one left to shepherd out Garlett from the kick-in. Of course, Jeffy skipped around him like a witches hat and you could see Rowe screaming his lungs out at Docherty but he just couldn't hear him.

Won't be the last time Garlett does that but, if I'm going to be picky, Rowe should have done more to retard/block him. Like last week when the ball came to ground and Rowe and ... (?) stood there looking at the ball while the Richmond dud kicked it off the ground for a total fluke goal. Rowe should have concentrated on shouldering the guy - god knows he's big enough - leaving his teammate to pick up the ball.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:17 pm 
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Patrick Keane‏ @AFL_PKeane 40s41 seconds ago

Jordan Lewis can accept 3 games, striking P Cripps. Penalty impacted by previous bad record, adding 1 week to offence.

Jesse Hogan can accept 2 games, striking S Rowe.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:24 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Patrick Keane‏ @AFL_PKeane 40s41 seconds ago

Jordan Lewis can accept 3 games, striking P Cripps. Penalty impacted by previous bad record, adding 1 week to offence.

Jesse Hogan can accept 2 games, striking S Rowe.


Hallellujah ,Lewis the dirty dog has been doing it for 10 years :smile: :razz: :clap:


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:28 pm 
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GWS wrote:
Murphy's Luke Power for mine.

Very good player and would have been a star as the fifth midfielder but just doesn't have the presence to be the gun leader/midfielder we need.

Ditto for Gibbs.


Murphy and Gibbs are a pox on this club. This is Gibbs' 10th year, and Murphy's 11th. Fair dinkum, ask yourself what have been the constants over this time.

We've had 5 coaches, refreshed the administration, and had a huge turnover of players. You don't have to be a genius to make the pronouncement that our next premiership team will be devoid of both these players but the really annoying thing is that the signs were there 5 years ago. And what has the club done? Nothing. Actually, worse than nothing - it has actively worked to keep them both there. Seriously - would the world have ended if we unloaded Gibbs last year? Who the hell talks a disgruntled employee into staying after they've made it clear they want out? Answer - an employer who is bereft of ideas and who is scared to make the difficult decisions. Apparently it's much easier to sack a coach than it is to drop Gibbs to the seconds.

Year and finishing position:
2006 - 16
2007 - 15
2008 - 11
2009 - 7
2010 - 8
2011 - 5
2012 - 10
2013 - 6
2014 - 13
2015 - 18
2016 - 14
2017 - position irrelevant as we're in a re-build / re-structure / re-brand / re-whatever bloody else they can spin

Lose to Essendon* next Sunday and our status as the laughing stock of the AFL will be official.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:32 pm 
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sammywaslow wrote:
GWS wrote:
Murphy's Luke Power for mine.

Very good player and would have been a star as the fifth midfielder but just doesn't have the presence to be the gun leader/midfielder we need.

Ditto for Gibbs.


Murphy and Gibbs are a pox on this club. This is Gibbs' 10th year, and Murphy's 11th. Fair dinkum, ask yourself what have been the constants over this time.

We've had 5 coaches, refreshed the administration, and had a huge turnover of players. You don't have to be a genius to make the pronouncement that our next premiership team will be devoid of both these players but the really annoying thing is that the signs were there 5 years ago. And what has the club done? Nothing. Actually, worse than nothing - it has actively worked to keep them both there. Seriously - would the world have ended if we unloaded Gibbs last year? Who the hell talks a disgruntled employee into staying after they've made it clear they want out? Answer - an employer who is bereft of ideas and who is scared to make the difficult decisions. Apparently it's much easier to sack a coach than it is to drop Gibbs to the seconds.

Year and finishing position:
2006 - 16
2007 - 15
2008 - 11
2009 - 7
2010 - 8
2011 - 5
2012 - 10
2013 - 6
2014 - 13
2015 - 18
2016 - 14
2017 - position irrelevant as we're in a re-build / re-structure / re-brand / re-whatever bloody else they can spin

Lose to Essendon** next Sunday and our status as the laughing stock of the AFL will be official.


Actually Gold Coast and Freo are the laughing stock at the moment


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:35 pm 
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3 weeks for Lewis, 2 weeks for Hogan.

Good results- both dog acts by gutless snipers.

Maybe the #goodbloketohaveabeerwith discount only applies to Hawthorn and Essendon*.

EAD Melbourne.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:38 pm 
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hotspur wrote:
Effes wrote:
Patrick Keane‏ @AFL_PKeane 40s41 seconds ago

Jordan Lewis can accept 3 games, striking P Cripps. Penalty impacted by previous bad record, adding 1 week to offence.

Jesse Hogan can accept 2 games, striking S Rowe.


Hallellujah ,Lewis the dirty dog has been doing it for 10 years :smile: :razz: :clap:


Now no longer protected under the 'Hawthorn good bloke' umbrella. Eat a big bag of Ds, the both of them.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:40 pm 
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Jordan Lewis, Melbourne, has been charged with striking Patrick Cripps, Carlton, during the third quarter of the Round Two match between Melbourne and Carlton played at the MCG on Sunday April 2, 2017.

In summary, his penalty is impacted by his previous bad record and he can accept a three-match sanction with an early plea.

Based on the available evidence and a medical report from the Carlton Football Club, the incident was assessed as intentional conduct with medium impact to the head. The incident was classified as a three-match sanction. The player has an applicable bad record which impacts the penalty, increasing it by one match to a four-match sanction. An early plea enables the player to accept a three-match sanction.

Jesse Hogan, Melbourne, has been charged with striking Sam Rowe, Carlton, during the third quarter of the Round Two match between Melbourne and Carlton played at the MCG on Sunday April 2, 2017.

In summary, he can accept a two-match sanction with an early plea.

Based on the available evidence and a medical report from the Carlton Football Club, the incident was assessed as intentional conduct with medium impact to the head. The incident was classified as a three-match sanction. The player has no applicable record which impacts the penalty. An early plea enables the player to accept a two-match sanction.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:47 pm 
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3 weeks for Lewis when BT says it was just a push - shows you what a dog Lewis is and what a turd BT is

Kudos to Cripps who got up and continued to play the ball and put his head over the ball for the rest of the match


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:48 pm 
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Fully deserve suspensions. Dirty acts both of them. Especially that filthy dog Lewis.

Seen some Twitter comments calling Cripps soft. Please..... :mad: :roll:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:50 pm 
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Lewis hit Cripps because he was making an impact on turning the game. The Ch 7 coverage interviewed their coach at 3/4 time and he mentioned that Cripps was troubling them, should have seen it then that a dog like Lewis would take it upon himself to snipe crippa. Rowe was obviously in the head of Hogan. Although it is a harsh way to see things, both snipes say more about our players having an impact and getting inside an opponents head than they do about their guys being tough. Imagine Lewis giving away a free kick in the goal square for something like that in a final.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:55 pm 
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They were both dumb, undisciplined and unnecessary acts. Lewis in particular. The ball was dead going back to the square FFS.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:56 pm 
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Lewis hit Cripps because he was making an impact on turning the game. The Ch 7 coverage interviewed their coach at 3/4 time and he mentioned that Cripps was troubling them, should have seen it then that a dog like Lewis would take it upon himself to snipe crippa. Rowe was obviously in the head of Hogan. Although it is a harsh way to see things, both snipes say more about our players having an impact and getting inside an opponents head than they do about their guys being tough. Imagine Lewis giving away a free kick in the goal square for something like that in a final.


They are just skunks, the both of them. Skunks aren't tough. They just sneak out dirty foul smelling odours when no one is looking. Skunks

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Carlton star Patrick Cripps suffered a minor jaw fracture on the weekend. Will be assessed this week. More on http://AFL.com.au soon.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:10 pm 
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Carlton star Patrick Cripps suffered a minor jaw fracture on the weekend. Will be assessed this week. More on http://AFL.com.au soon.


Lewis is just a c u next Tuesday.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:18 pm 
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yes reportedly called Goldstein a weak dog when he king hit him at Etihad


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:20 pm 
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Might actually watch Beaker and the Cookie Monster this week to see what sort of hang-dog aw shucks performance Lewis puts on for his 'players night' performance.

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