Must we go through this crap every time we lose to a bottom 8 side? We are considerably better than last year. These sweeping generalist negative attitudes are far more depressing than the blues first half today.

I know this is going to be pointless but I'm going to ask anyway:

1. Don't you believe over the course of the season (lift your eyes above just the last two games) that our team defence is considerably better than last year? Credit to the coaches here not the players.

2. Don't you believe Cripps has continued to improve this year for example?

3. Don't you believe Weitering, Charlie and McKay are good key position drafts which will make us better?

If you answer yes to even one of the above questions then you can't say we are worse. You just can't.

I like the toughness and effort he brings but I've never been a fan, we generally start two goals behind each week due to his customary turn overs. I cringe when he and Rowe have the ball in their in hands. But for some reason Casboult gets most of the vent.

A fit Marchbank would be a great replacement for White. We will only become a better team when we have better options for Rowe and White.

Can't understand the reason for having the two ruckman, we would seem better structured with one more midfield/pace option. We could have done with Sumner or Lamb in the Team today.

Wake up. The rebuild started when SOS and Bolts took over, everything prior to that is irrelevant.

They are the ones in charge....and for once I'm confident we have the right people to do the job.

Complaining week after week, day after day about previous staff members mistakes is useless and annoying.

This is year one, the sooner you realise this, the better off we will all be

Things are never as bad as they seem after a loss.

Things are never as good as they seem after a win.

We still have about 45 games in rebuild mode to go.

A few posters on here need to relax and get some perspective. There's plenty of pain still ahead of us. We all knew that, right?

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Too true "Sue"............nobody knows that more than me.But that was bad to the point of being putrid.We are all loyal,but sometimes some people need a kick up the backside and today is the day.Im patient,but i aint blind.These guys have been pulling the wool over our eyes for a couple of months now.Pull ya socks up,all of you.

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Pro-

Levi may have pushed up his trade value a bit.
If we get a early 2nd round pick for him I would take it!


SOS - loving this kid!!!! Still raw but bloody hell he could be something special!!!

Cripps - love him, wanna boof him!!!!!!



Cons-

God we're shit!!!!

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Just our way of telling the AFL ..... Hey if you're going to give Brisbane a priority pick at the end of the year then we get one too

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Year one of how many years?

Or game 28 of a 66 game rebuild?

Edited for accuracy.... which side would play any of the four (or Kerridge)?

As many years as it takes.

Let me reiterate. Everything prior to 2015 list management wise is completely irrelevant.

This is a wise post but also doesn't take into perspective that we have changed the way we play from the first half of the year where we played with dash and courage to now, where we play static footy and don't use or guard the corridor.
If we had persisted with the type of game plan we had for about 10 weeks and had won and lost a few, it wouldn't be so bad but we have got progressively worse to the point our formerly much vaunted defence is now a laughing stock.

I am not convinced BB has a game plan that will get us where we want to be. The zone 1.5 concept has proved to be a shambles for the past few weeks, the last two in particular.

With about a minute to go, we actually manned up for the kickout. First time for the entire game. It is an old fashioned concept and these days can be defeated by an overlap if you use it as the norm but why wait until minute 99 to try it?

Last year, Touhy kicked torps several times and caught the defence napping for run-in, coast to coast goals. He hasn't done it ONCE this year. Instead we are predictable, short kick to oneself and run ten metres with the block provided on the end of the square. Clarkson stopped that cold in one minute and we were stuffed for the rest of the game kicking out after a point.

We have been kicking long to a contest since Kernahan. Everybody involved in football knows that. Those rare occasions when we actually run the footy through the middle and hit a leading forward completely bamboozle a defence which is waiting for the almost inevitable long bomb. We are 17 or 18 for goals scored per entry. It doesn't work. It has to be changed.

If we persist with this same game plan we will keep getting close to teams who like the close in stuff and we will keep being vulnerable to teams who run the footy. In another 45 games, if we aren't playing modern, open, run and carry football, we will still be in the bottom eight.

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ten teams... mostly named hawthorn

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Haven't seen the game (based on this thread, I might give it a miss!) but Bolton's game plan got us within a kick of both WCE and Sydney - and not too far off from Hawthorn either. As mightily disappointing as the last fortnight has been, there's been some promising signs in the second half of this season - if not wins (alas). I reckon we'll still be bottom eight (or close to it) in 45 games but with the right trajectory - our list is that ordinary.

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Why are we still playing Cripps, Weitering and Sosos? The first two are carrying injuries and the latter is clearly feeling the pinch.

These three could be legends of this club if we don't ruin them (see Kreuzer). Cripps is twenty one, the other two are skinny eighteen year olds in their first year at the club. For god's sake pull the pin on 'em, send them off to lay on a beach somewhere for the next few weeks. There is just too much risk in continuing to play them.

Same with Casboult and Kreuzer. We need them for at least another year, rest them, neither are anywhere near fit, bring in some pace. Casboult, Jones, Kreuzer and Phillips all in the same side, no wonder we look slow.

The less said about Thomas the better, can't run, can't kick. How must the kids in the ressies feel seeing this crock gifted a game each week?

We keep being told it's all about the process, so act like it Carlton! I don't care how much we lose by in the next two weeks (well, not much). I don't care if we have to play the boot studder to make up a team, look after our future champions and required players.

Ummmm... SOS kicked 3 yesterday if you didn't notice. Cripps had been killing it but got a knock on the knee yesterday, Wietering is travelling fine. Should all teams put their players in cotton wool for the rest of the year... Bulldogs should rest Bont for the year as they wont win the flag...

I reckon we played 3 unfit players yesterday

Kruezer
Thomas
Weitering

Well done andy mack...

Thomas is th eonly one there who should not have played and should not play for us again, but will, sadly.

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