I didn't check their exact ages but if you think Walker has three more years of football left than Everitt, I'll accept that assessment.

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

That midget Blair to have his birthday.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

The cricket's over so I'm gonna have to watch this I suppose...

we should let whiley play the game ,no taging or defending just play the midfield and hopefully he gets 33 possies like coll young players get in a game they dodnt worry about taging.

So the club sits heaps of other injured players out all the time but play Menz injured? Sorry but is there any evidence at all to say he's injured? I really like Menz and he played some great early games but the kid just seems badly out of form or struggling mentally with the demands of footy and needs a refresh.

Last week -


Week before v Hawks - didn't play as injured.

Week before that v Freo - subbed out injured.

2 weeks before that v Dogs - didn't play because injured

Week before that v GC - subbed out after knock to knee in first quarter.

I could go on.

Hmmmm ok I officially stand corrected. Haha. Emphatically I might add. Carry on.

Lesson: Do not speak negatively about Menzel around emtwenty.

However, Clem Smith bagging is acceptable.

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dane's trolling again

You can speak negatively about anyone as long as you can back it up.

In my case with Smith - I had the opinion of club employees on my side

em, what do you say to constant suggestion in and around the club about menzel being a lazy footballer who does little work off the track?

unless you can give me more than a 'suggestion' - I'm going to stick with what I have been told. But I am more than willing to listen to something more concrete than a suggestion.

If Menzel is so injured, why is he playing in the VFL?

Wouldn't it be better to rest him now & get him right before the biggest pre-season of his life...?

Or maybe he's not THAT injured. Every AFL player is carrying injuries this time of year. Performing beyond the pain barrier and working through adversity is part of the deal. Some, particularly those in their first few seasons, find it harder than others. But they must learn.

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

obviously i won't name names.

... but friends through junior footy are still in touch with a few of the current playing group and they hear.

i work in media and hear it often. but that's the nature of media. grain of sand and all that.

thanks. I'll take it on board

well ... is menzel lazy?

you could put it all to rest or don't ... but don't arc up when people put him down.

I thought my earlier post had cleared up whether he is or isn't.

I only arc up if they can't back it up. I mean, it didn't take long to debunk the he hasn't been injured myth.

As I said, I will take your insight on board.

Well said.

The facts are he has been dropped this week because of lack of effort as stated by the coach. He is playing VFL this week so injuries can't be an issue.

The injuries mentioned don't prove anything. Just because he is injured one week does that mean he is injured the next week?

If your selected you're fit to play. It doesn't excuse his efforts this year. As abns rightly said players play injured each week and still produce the effort required.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

How can you lose players for nothing? Yarran been in the system for 7 yrs or so to be a free agent? I dont think so. They can resign with the club or go in free agency and end up at Brisbane or gc. I wouldnt trade yarran for anything less than top 15 pick. I would just say no to the trade offer. I dont really care what the player wants. The player will rock up the next season and play his guts out or lose tremendous player value in the 2s and will be viewed as useless to any club wanting to pick him up.

I agree with this.

Often I wonder how a player being "injury prone" is down to luck and how much down to preparing correctly, doing all the right rehab, and as you said playing through the pain barrier.

Obviously knee recon's, broken bones etc cant be helped, but some guys always seem never seem to be right. You could put Henderson and Yarran as two othesr that always dont look right...

Em, you've mentioned many times about Menzel not training etc, but you've also reminded us many times about how hard it is for Docherty to be getting on the park each week and he seems to be coping through what must be a lot of duress. Cripps is another one that looked done a few weeks ago, but managed to get himself up 6 days later and is still going strong without a rest.

Not sure it's always just a coincidence......

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"They're [REDACTED]'

Whiley has been playing his game. That is Whiley.

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!