Independent Selection Committee for 2016 coach (see pg8)

Synbad · **Posted:** Thu May 28, 2015 10:14 am

You can use people from outside of football to form a match day game plan within football .
The problem with football is the pool of minds is so tiny compared to the greater world's.
Is always going to be behind.
That's not to say from such a tiny pool of brainpower a genius can emerge.. But it's less likely right?
Football you have ex players learning from ex players in a tiny sport where only half the country play it.. From a country that has a small population by world standards.
In the real sense think of out like a Tasmania...

buzzaaaah · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:31 am **Posts:** 17892

Dermie pushed hard for Ayres over Clarkson.

Brad, i think you'll find Rodney Eade isn't a former coach just yet.
I like the idea of getting a non AFL person because I prefer someone without the prejudices of thinking they know who is good.

I think we'll end up with S Dew if he agrees.
Timing is always bad for us. Roos would have been available 2013.
I think Ross Lyon will be available 2017.

robertbb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:06 pm **Posts:** 9354

Pres plays the @#$%&! out of candy crush though.

Synbad · **Posted:** Thu May 28, 2015 10:17 am

That football culture mentality means if you're clever you can really bust things open if you move away from what is already happening at football clubs .
Otherwise you're only playing catch up.
You can probably hire people from the USA into your recruiting group that would give you a totally different slant to recruiting.
People from the beautiful game. Basketball water polo for tactics etc

teagueyubeauty · **Joined:** Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:28 am **Posts:** 6450

Goltzenberg wrote:

This is a bit of a joke isnt it?

We dont have the skillset and experience at the club to select a coach? Or is because the board want to give all accountability to some one external? Outsourcing the risk of failure. This is a bit embarrassing.

Is this because we don't have an interview process at the club? No key selection criteria templates or grading process

Worsfold and bomber not interested. Dew has 90% chance of landing the job depending on his powerpoint presentation. Waste of time.

There's one other thing as sure as death and taxes, you certainly can't please everyone

Synbad · **Posted:** Thu May 28, 2015 10:21 am

teagueyubeauty wrote:

Goltzenberg wrote:

This is a bit of a joke isnt it?

We dont have the skillset and experience at the club to select a coach? Or is because the board want to give all accountability to some one external? Outsourcing the risk of failure. This is a bit embarrassing.

Is this because we don't have an interview process at the club? No key selection criteria templates or grading process

Worsfold and bomber not interested. Dew has 90% chance of landing the job depending on his powerpoint presentation. Waste of time.

There's one other thing as sure as death and taxes, you certainly can't please everyone

The question therefore should move into this... Who's actually pleased?

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23911

Punter22 wrote:

robertbb wrote:

bluegirl72 wrote:

Punter22 wrote:

Jude Bolton or Dermie would be good.

I dont want Dermie because he thought Mick was good for us.
Cronieism.

I reckon he also tricked us into signing Levi for the term and amount we did. He said if we didn't, there'd be clubs "lining up" for him. We took the bait. LOL.

Surely we can find competent people who understand modern football, without paying (ex)rivals to lead us up the garden path.

Dermie isn't a croney of Malthouse. He has no ties, in fact was coached by Malthouse in one exhibition game. That's as close as they got in a formal sense during their careers. Dermie simply believed (s??) that Mick is/was an excellent coach who would be good for any side. He wouldn't be alone in that view either.

As I said - Dermie is a wanker of the absolute highest order, but that doesn't mean he isn't as knowledgeable as anyone as to how the game is and should be played.

On some things he knows a lot...that is for sure!
However he gets locked in to certain ideas and then is very slow to change on them. Blind Frederick could see the game plan was awful and did not suit our players.Malty had thanked Dermie for his playing in an IR match years ago, which had touched Dermie and brought out loyalty in him toward MM.
Thats how Dermie is. Its nice but he is the wrong type of person for this job.

jimmae · **Posted:** Thu May 28, 2015 10:59 am

Just a quick point about the nature of club officials on the committee: you can have a completely independent committee (i.e. free of board/FD/corporate ties), record the whole process, and then have the club itself pour through it.

The committee makes its recommendation, which you can accept or reject in favour of another. You can have a club official in there listening if they feel another question or two needs to be asked as well. Have the committee be independent.

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

moshe25 wrote:

Dukes wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Everybody is amused with where the club is at...
It's even bizarrely amusing to some of us.. Simply because.. How did it come to this?

15 years in the making. We got it wrong by not putting Wayne Brittain through a selection process and we've been stuffing it up ever since!

Started WAY before that. Rot set in when we sacked Walls IMO. If you inspect it, you may agree. He was sacked without a process and Jezza was hired without a process.

It was like the beginning of the fall of the Roman Empire. We were actually still strong enough, with enough champions to drift on and squeeze one more flag out, but it was just like Rome was still powerful for another 2 centuries after its decline started.

Walls - underperformed
Jezza - underperformed
Parkin - underperformed
Brittain - underperformed
Pagan - underperformed
Ratten - underperformed
Malthouse - underperformed

If one person tells you you're a horse, roll your eyes.
If two people tell you you're a horse, start thinkin' about it.
If the whole world tells you you're a horse, get a flower saddle.

Before buying the saddle, you should ring the note taker for advice.

17th Premiership · **Joined:** Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:22 am **Posts:** 2737

So far, I'm liking:
- Robert Walls
- Jason Dunstall
- Ange Postecoglou
- Trigg (or someone else from the club whose success depends upon this decision?)
- Recently retired, respected player from successful culture (e.g. Swans, Hawks, Geelong....)
- Someone from the business / recruiting world?

Whatever happens, NOT:
- Gary Lyon
- Dermott Brereton
- 1995 Premiership players

Key criteria (in this order...):
- People management
- Communication / teaching ability
- Structured thinking
- Football insight

yab the blue · **Posted:** Thu May 28, 2015 2:16 pm

With such a varied list of sporting achievements/ coaching roles, I would be interested in Ric Charlesworth's feedback on candidates.

Heavs · **Posted:** Thu May 28, 2015 2:24 pm

I'd look at Nick Riewoldt. What would be the issue with a current day player being involved in this sort of search?

2ndeffort · **Posted:** Thu May 28, 2015 4:45 pm

If Ange is a consideration then also get Craig Bellamy from the Storm. Even when they lose the Storm boys normally leave nothing in the rooms!

Goltzenberg · **Posted:** Thu May 28, 2015 5:14 pm

moshe25 wrote:

Goltzenberg wrote:

This is a bit of a joke isnt it?

We dont have the skillset and experience at the club to select a coach? Or is because the board want to give all accountability to some one external? Outsourcing the risk of failure. This is a bit embarrassing.

Is this because we don't have an interview process at the club? No key selection criteria templates or grading process

Worsfold and bomber not interested. Dew has 90% chance of landing the job depending on his powerpoint presentation. Waste of time.

Hehe. So, after bitching and moaning for two and a half years, Goltzy wants us to get another Malthouse.

Damn right we don't have the skillset and experience at the club to select a coach.

We have just enough skillset and experience to do up our shoelaces and not dribble too much when we eat. Have you been hiding under a rock or something these past 15 years????

not saying that at all.i think the club knows the Messiah type appointments never work.

always been for an interview process. Didnt think that we would need external people to run an interview process. If anything, have walls external with sos and mckay on the panel. Whoever gets picked has to have sos aligned with them, otherwise it is pretty useless.

I think the board need to go if they cannot handle this

emtwenty · **Joined:** Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:29 pm **Posts:** 7074

This is some cool news

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

emtwenty wrote:

This is some cool news

And when he's done that, how about challenging for a seat on the board.... say in Gleesons spot... ?

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Sat May 30, 2015 2:46 pm

buzzaaaah wrote:

Brad, i think you'll find Rodney Eade isn't a former coach just yet.

I was aware of that, which is why I said someone like Rodney Eade. Actually, Grant Thomas might be a good choice in that role.

I don't mind Nick Maxwell either. Would fit the recently retired player criteria.

azza? · **Joined:** Wed May 30, 2007 11:10 am **Posts:** 1084

emtwenty wrote:

This is some cool news

Hope he says yes.

Also yes to Ange or Bellamy.

Postecoglou would do it in a heartbeat i reckon.

A former player from either Hawthorn, Sydney or Geelong would be great. From clubs with very recent and sustained success in the modern era.

camel · **Posted:** Sat May 30, 2015 4:20 pm

Rexy wrote:

emtwenty wrote:

This is some cool news

And when he's done that, how about challenging for a seat on the board.... say in Gleesons spot... ?

...and MLG's too???

Clayman · **Joined:** Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:02 am **Posts:** 1770

http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/malthouse-a-big-risk-as-blues-err-in-axing-ratten-20120829-2514j.html

This has probably been posted somewhere. Walls was spot on and would be great if he had some influence at Carlton. Hopd he is involved in the next decision.

Independent Selection Committee for 2016 coach (see pg8)

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