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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:30 pm 
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Even with nuff nuff Buckley they are going well because they are fit, they have good facilities for development and analysis and they are quick to identify and adopt processes that improve their output.


Nuff Nuff Buckley? :lol:
Whatever you know or have achieved in footy Jim, Buckley has you covered 100 times over. He has a strong list, a quality coaching group and a very good group of leaders.
Those things don't just fall into place by accident.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:34 pm 
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Can anyone think of any other side that has played 2 genuine out and out ruckmen in 2015. I've got nothing. That crap has been outdated since 2010

West Coast: NicNat & Lycett.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:34 pm 
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We are in limbo

There is so little coming through in the seconds that we continually play someone like Curnow

Curnow is the least of our worries. He busts his arse to shut down an opposition player every week. His job is not to rack up stats.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:35 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Even with nuff nuff Buckley they are going well because they are fit, they have good facilities for development and analysis and they are quick to identify and adopt processes that improve their output.


Nuff Nuff Buckley? :lol:
Whatever you know or have achieved in footy Jim, Buckley has you covered 100 times over. He has a strong list, a quality coaching group and a very good group of leaders.
Those things don't just fall into place by accident.

What would Buckley's staff look like at Carlton? Do you think he has the wherewithal or the charisma to bring that kind of operation together?

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:36 pm 
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diesel_85 wrote:
Can anyone think of any other side that has played 2 genuine out and out ruckmen in 2015. I've got nothing. That crap has been outdated since 2010


Agree, Could not believe that late change tonight. Not just 2 any old ruckmen......what team would play two slow tap rucks who have no game outside the centre bounce!!??


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:38 pm 
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Pendles wins best on ground, where was our captain? Shit, even in Melbourne's darkest hours at least Nathan Jones gave his all.

Never forget we picked murphy at 1 and pies picked pendlebury at 2 - says it all


No, he was something like pick 4. Still, he was a more exciting player than Murphy that year. Both of Collingwood's picks were traditional 'reaches' but it just shows you can do it if you want to. Pendlebury should have been pick 1. It should have been Pendlebury at one and Kennedy at 3. No need for airy-fairy Judd trades.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:38 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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Malthouse turned a worse list than this into a premiership side, difference is attitude we have alot of players who dont want to be great. They dont have the same desire.

That is not Malthouses fault. We ruined him.


It took him 12 years at the best resourced club in the AFL. He'll be 120 by the time he turns this team around.
Its time to start again with a young coaching group who are in it for the long haul.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:38 pm 
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Yep just back home from the game. 80 to 40 tackles says a lot but not everything about effort. We won contested ball and centre clearances but we continually and almost always kicked to contests where we had a 50 50 chance at best and often worse than this because we were outnumbered. Even Wayne Carey in our side would have struggled up forward tonight. Unbelievable stupidity. Pies then bounced straight back with precise uncontested ball and far superior spread. Tactically we were putrid. Embarrassing.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:38 pm 
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We deserve this ... we appointed a barman as our recruiting chief for way too long and a vet as our football manager ... in the end we play like a drunk dog.

We erred as we do time and time again in giving up early picks ... pick 7 was way too important to give up and if we held our nerve we would have got Jaksch for pick 28 ... as I said "if we held our nerve" ... Wes Lofts would have got him with pick 28.

82 tackles to our 48 says a lot ... 104 uncontested marks for the pies ... they average 58 ???

The flair has been ripped out of this team.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:39 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
Blue Beatle wrote:
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Pendles wins best on ground, where was our captain? Shit, even in Melbourne's darkest hours at least Nathan Jones gave his all.

Never forget we picked murphy at 1 and pies picked pendlebury at 2 - says it all


No, he was something like pick 4. Still, he was a more exiting player than Murphy that year. Both of Collingwood's picks were traditional 'reaches' but it just shows you can do it if you want to. Pedlebury should have been pick 1. It should have been Pendlebury at one and Kennedy at 3. No need for airy-fairy Judd trades.

Murphy was an exciting player in the TAC too, consistently plugging away and driving his team to victory as well. Thomas was the flash, Pendlebury was more of a project but had unique athletic qualities and clean hands.

No one other than Pies rated either of their selections as high, but everyone rated Murphy #1. Everyone.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:40 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Even with nuff nuff Buckley they are going well because they are fit, they have good facilities for development and analysis and they are quick to identify and adopt processes that improve their output.


Nuff Nuff Buckley? :lol:
Whatever you know or have achieved in footy Jim, Buckley has you covered 100 times over. He has a strong list, a quality coaching group and a very good group of leaders.
Those things don't just fall into place by accident.

What would Buckley's staff look like at Carlton? Do you think he has the wherewithal or the charisma to bring that kind of operation together?


You're taking the piss surely?
He is one of the most impressive and progressive thinkers in the game. And you don't think he has the wherewithal to put a quality coaching group together? :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:40 pm 
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Collingwood are so far in front of us and they haven't even played their best youngsters yet.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:42 pm 
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dadadadada wrote:
We deserve this ... we appointed a barman as our recruiting chief for way too long and a vet as our football manager ... in the end we play like a drunk dog.

We erred as we do time and time again in giving up early picks ... pick 7 was way too important to give up and if we held our nerve we would have got Jaksch for pick 28 ... as I said "if we held our nerve" ... Wes Lofts would have got him with pick 28.

82 tackles to our 48 says a lot ... 104 uncontested marks for the pies ... they average 58 ???

The flair has been ripped out of this team.



we are still paying for that genius Hughes......


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:44 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Even with nuff nuff Buckley they are going well because they are fit, they have good facilities for development and analysis and they are quick to identify and adopt processes that improve their output.


Nuff Nuff Buckley? :lol:
Whatever you know or have achieved in footy Jim, Buckley has you covered 100 times over. He has a strong list, a quality coaching group and a very good group of leaders.
Those things don't just fall into place by accident.

What would Buckley's staff look like at Carlton? Do you think he has the wherewithal or the charisma to bring that kind of operation together?



Hate to say it, but Buckley knows what he's talking about, and talks well. And walks the walk. But hopefully not the cakewalk.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:45 pm 
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Mick hasn't evolved. The game plan we saw tonight was 2010 stuff.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:45 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Even with nuff nuff Buckley they are going well because they are fit, they have good facilities for development and analysis and they are quick to identify and adopt processes that improve their output.


Nuff Nuff Buckley? :lol:
Whatever you know or have achieved in footy Jim, Buckley has you covered 100 times over. He has a strong list, a quality coaching group and a very good group of leaders.
Those things don't just fall into place by accident.

What would Buckley's staff look like at Carlton? Do you think he has the wherewithal or the charisma to bring that kind of operation together?


You're taking the piss surely?
He is one of the most impressive and progressive thinkers in the game. And you don't think he has the wherewithal to put a quality coaching group together? :lol:

I meant what the football department do as a whole.

I honestly haven't found him to be an impressive thinker. His style of football is the same as many others and simply relies on solid match sim drills and work ethic.

The deepest thinking I've seen from him is his input in the clean hands & kicking tests now at the combine, where all coaches can catch vision of incoming draftees to better assess their techniques. This was in concert with one of his fellow cognitive giants: Matthew Lloyd.

He's definitely got the conceited and aloof components of the genius stereotype going for him.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:46 pm 
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Pickle wrote:
dadadadada wrote:
We deserve this ... we appointed a barman as our recruiting chief for way too long and a vet as our football manager ... in the end we play like a drunk dog.

We erred as we do time and time again in giving up early picks ... pick 7 was way too important to give up and if we held our nerve we would have got Jaksch for pick 28 ... as I said "if we held our nerve" ... Wes Lofts would have got him with pick 28.

82 tackles to our 48 says a lot ... 104 uncontested marks for the pies ... they average 58 ???

The flair has been ripped out of this team.



we are still paying for that genius Hughes......


and will be paying for a long time to come.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:49 pm 
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It's a combination of things that are wrong:
- lack of talent
- game plan is not right
- players not playing for the coach
- fitness is not there

Everyone is on the trade table at seasons end, if we are fair dinkum with a rebuild.

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jimmae wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Even with nuff nuff Buckley they are going well because they are fit, they have good facilities for development and analysis and they are quick to identify and adopt processes that improve their output.


Nuff Nuff Buckley? :lol:
Whatever you know or have achieved in footy Jim, Buckley has you covered 100 times over. He has a strong list, a quality coaching group and a very good group of leaders.
Those things don't just fall into place by accident.

What would Buckley's staff look like at Carlton? Do you think he has the wherewithal or the charisma to bring that kind of operation together?


You're taking the piss surely?
He is one of the most impressive and progressive thinkers in the game. And you don't think he has the wherewithal to put a quality coaching group together? :lol:

I meant what the football department do as a whole.

I honestly haven't found him to be an impressive thinker. His style of football is the same as many others and simply relies on solid match sim drills and work ethic.

The deepest thinking I've seen from him is his input in the clean hands & kicking tests now at the combine, where all coaches can catch vision of incoming draftees to better assess their techniques. This was in concert with one of his fellow cognitive giants: Matthew Lloyd.

He's definitely got the conceited and aloof components of the genius stereotype going for him.


I think you should quit while you're behind.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:52 pm 
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Thank you for the unsolicited advice

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