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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:49 am 
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And Wayne Carey would be our greatest ever player and iconic club figurehead. How does that sit with you BG72 and em20?

Worth throwing this up though Rob. No one wants a merger if there is hope for a resurgence. Hawthorn on the brink with Melbourne but now a standalone powerhouse. It will be harder into the future however.

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Not ok Rick. N O T OK.:x
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Plus..impossible to have q good jumper combo with them.
What..navy and white jail stripes???
Or ..the unthinkable royal blue jumper??,
Look. .tassie or nothing. Perth' s 3rd team?
Cant reconcile with that..
i do get the Northern blues idea. But with Norf??? C' mon.Dont think its a good cultural fit for us.

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instant results?

20 years since last flag and looking like plenty of years more

thank god instant noodles don't take that long


Do you know how Instant Noodles are made and what goes in them?

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
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can we send this to the board just so as they truly comprehend what they have managed to achieve for this mighty football club

we should also send delegates cimm and club...

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:12 am 
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Is club and the other guy on this site journos? Complete misfits and should tear up their membership now and barrack elsewhere. Basically your carlton or your not. Through hard times and good times. Piss off if you cant handle the current climate.

can just see Damian Barrett bringing this up on the footy show If he is struggling for stories

Close the thread. Carlton would only merge if they were completely bankrupt, but like hawthorn did many years ago, they rallied and won a few premierships since. Financially they are a powerhouse now. Carlton has too much soul and more supporters to ever let that happen. Let alone some of the richest supporters to let it happen. Rubbish thread. Close it down


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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
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GOLTZ has smashed this thread harder than he smashed the competition in the 2009 TC supercoach!

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
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Is club and the other guy on this site journos? Complete misfits and should tear up their membership now and barrack elsewhere. Basically your carlton or your not. Through hard times and good times. Piss off if you cant handle the current climate.

can just see Damian Barrett bringing this up on the footy show If he is struggling for stories

Close the thread. Carlton would only merge if they were completely bankrupt, but like hawthorn did many years ago, they rallied and won a few premierships since. Financially they are a powerhouse now. Carlton has too much soul and more supporters to ever let that happen. Let alone some of the richest supporters to let it happen. Rubbish thread. Close it down


Need to look at options Goltz.

Who in charge of bringing back the good times?

I'd settle for hard times with a hint of hope. As long as the hope was based on good planning not quick fixes and pre-season lies.

Haven't seen anything in the current board, admin, recruiting to make me believe they have a steady hand. Have you?

I'd prefer to be Carlton, based at PP but not if its run like it is now.

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
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if youre witholding funds like i am to this footy club.. u can at least show it you care by bagging the hell out of them...

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
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but you cannot merge

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
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Synbad wrote:
can we send this to the board just so as they truly comprehend what they have managed to achieve for this mighty football club

we should also send delegates cimm and club...

I enjoy the exchange of ideas from you and cimm..
The personal slugs. .
Not so much. :)

Ps...merging with doggies would be preferable to Norf.
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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
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two clubs on their knees getting together = a big bucket of shit plus a bigger bucket of shit makes for one enormous bucket of shit.....


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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
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bluegirl72 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
can we send this to the board just so as they truly comprehend what they have managed to achieve for this mighty football club

we should also send delegates cimm and club...

I enjoy the exchange of ideas from you and cimm..
The personal slugs. .
Not so much. :)

Ps...merging with doggies would be preferable to Norf.
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Doggies yes.

Plus we'd get Sedat!!

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
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cimm has lost his freaking mind.


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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
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robertbb wrote:
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club29 wrote:
We would have to change our mindset with this one. Mergers in the past have been seen as a last resort and come across as conceding defeat.
We would have to buy into this being a progressive move that is a step ahead of the pack. The sort of smart thinking that we have all been hoping for for years.
We would need the AFL not only onboard but prepared to throw in sweeteners. MCG home ground being one. Train at PP. Build two museums. One for each club.
Could easily get a jumper that suits both north and us.

The north of Melbourne will be ours from then on. We would be looking at Hawthorn like member numbers within 10 years.

I don't see this town being big enough for all of us. If we don't make the big call now, in 10-15 years EFC**** will just gobble up North and St Kilda will be snapped up by the Hawks or the Pies.

We would have to make some small sacrifices and football will never be the same but it will be good.

PS imagine the 99' parties. The two clubs that won the premiership that year both combining as one. Romantic.


Need draft concessions and debt help as well.

They would have to get the marketing right. Can't make this (as suggested by Synners) that it's two struggling clubs with no alternative, has to be sold (as club suggests) as a bold and smart move to make a Melb club to take on the Hawks, Pies and (god help us) the Bombers.

At the very least a threat to merge should see if the resistance is great enough to kick start some fire in the belly of the supporters. Hell, if a massive ugly battle doesn't ensue then it really does show the supporters are [REDACTED] as well.


Hawks, Pies and DrugCheats are so far ahead of us it's not even funny. Hawks claimed Tassie. Pies are talking about their own stadium. Scum are (nfi why) just massively supported and loved. We're just mediocre from board to boot studder, but just happen to have won a few more flags than we probably should have, mostly because of brown paper bags full of cash. Otherwise, we're just another Melbourne, Richmond and Geelong who have won 12, 10 and 9 flags respectively. That's where we sit. Can we ever be greater?


I'm not sure who I'm responding to but you need to get your facts right.

History has been kind and unkind to us and evryone else.

The chronology of events will tell you it wasn't all our boards doing. I'm not letting past 2 presidents off and free of blame but let's focus on our in house events separately to the other big 3 you refer to because they and we have been dealt a different set of cards and as a result a different outcome.

They, along with you and I are not Nostradamus. There's more going for our club than you make out.

It's easy to say and support an argument that North would rather join Carlton than Essendon*.

Clubs like North Footscray Stkilda Melbourne and even Hawthorn have been threatened by mergers but got through that challenge and grew. We will too.

Hell we tried to take ove the Saints to get hold of Plugger and Winmar, also bought shares in North as a way to absorb them along with Wayne Carey. There has been attempts by our club to absorb others and perhaps may again in the future.

I don't want people like you lot wanting a merger tarnishing our proud history with talks of mergers when it is unnecessary. Hold your breath for 10 minutes if you can't see yourselves barracking for the other big clubs.

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:17 am 
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Goltzenberg wrote:

can just see Damian Barrett bringing this up on the footy show If he is struggling for stories



There probably is a bit of story in there for the Journos.

What does the next 10 years hold for struggling afl clubs ?

We all agree the boom is done. We all agree some clubs struggled even during the boom when there was cash everywhere.
I am pretty sure we all agree that no club is going to get the results the Hawks did with their well time fight back.
We know the AFL are planning ahead and lowering prices.
It is fair to say that sponsorship and membership dollars are going to be hard to come by.
We agree that the gap is getting bigger between the haves and have nots (thanks heavs).
We know that membership at Carlton is stagnate and the club isn't going upward in a hurry.
Reading this board we know people are losing interest, not fussed when we lose and apathetic (thanks Synbad).

So what is going to be the big play that saves clubs? Reading what is coming could clubs get ahead of the pack by making a smart play early or should they wait until they are at their lowest and take whatever is thrown their way?

How are poorer clubs going to match it with the big clubs?

Would make an interesting enough story for one of the papers.


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Withholding membership cash and bagging the club on TC won't do it?

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
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club29 wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:

can just see Damian Barrett bringing this up on the footy show If he is struggling for stories



There probably is a bit of story in there for the Journos.

What does the next 10 years hold for struggling afl clubs ?

We all agree the boom is done. We all agree some clubs struggled even during the boom when there was cash everywhere.
I am pretty sure we all agree that no club is going to get the results the Hawks did with their well time fight back.
We know the AFL are planning ahead and lowering prices.
It is fair to say that sponsorship and membership dollars are going to be hard to come by.
We agree that the gap is getting bigger between the haves and have nots (thanks heavs).
We know that membership at Carlton is stagnate and the club isn't going upward in a hurry.
Reading this board we know people are losing interest, not fussed when we lose and apathetic (thanks Synbad).

So what is going to be the big play that saves clubs? Reading what is coming could clubs get ahead of the pack by making a smart play early or should they wait until they are at their lowest and take whatever is thrown their way?

How are poorer clubs going to match it with the big clubs?

Would make an interesting enough story for one of the papers.

Carlton are not poor. We give away a car every raffle.

But in all seriousness, carlton has debt and making good inroads in to that. But, we are far from poor. We have the most expensive coach in the land and have state of the art facilities, which poor clubs dont have and correct me if l am wrong but we are close to the max cap spend that the club can make in the footy department.

So if your only basis for a merger is to merge a playing list in hope of earlier success, then move along.


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the worst thing the afl did was to expand into western sydney and gold coast, where people frankly don't care for the game. the obsession for the potential money making with taking the game to a national level overruled all common sense.


the diluted talent across the league, put teams that could have been on the cusp of competing with a couple of winning draft moves, it kept them mid table teams. and the teams at the top, it kept them at the top as the free agents looking to cherry pick a prem flag only realistically had a team or three worth signing with.

the league disparity has never been greater, but its all on the AFL ... adding two teams in two years, was just asinine.


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Goltzenberg wrote:
club29 wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:

can just see Damian Barrett bringing this up on the footy show If he is struggling for stories



There probably is a bit of story in there for the Journos.

What does the next 10 years hold for struggling afl clubs ?

We all agree the boom is done. We all agree some clubs struggled even during the boom when there was cash everywhere.
I am pretty sure we all agree that no club is going to get the results the Hawks did with their well time fight back.
We know the AFL are planning ahead and lowering prices.
It is fair to say that sponsorship and membership dollars are going to be hard to come by.
We agree that the gap is getting bigger between the haves and have nots (thanks heavs).
We know that membership at Carlton is stagnate and the club isn't going upward in a hurry.
Reading this board we know people are losing interest, not fussed when we lose and apathetic (thanks Synbad).

So what is going to be the big play that saves clubs? Reading what is coming could clubs get ahead of the pack by making a smart play early or should they wait until they are at their lowest and take whatever is thrown their way?

How are poorer clubs going to match it with the big clubs?

Would make an interesting enough story for one of the papers.

Carlton are not poor. We give away a car every raffle.

But in all seriousness, carlton has debt and making good inroads in to that. But, we are far from poor. We have the most expensive coach in the land and have state of the art facilities, which poor clubs dont have and correct me if l am wrong but we are close to the max cap spend that the club can make in the footy department.

So if your only basis for a merger is to merge a playing list in hope of earlier success, then move along.


That is not what I am saying at all. You need to read the whole thread.

I am not saying we are poor. There are poor clubs though. We are at the mid to lower end of the scale however and climbing up to be remotely near the big Melbourne clubs is going to take some magic.

I have not mentioned playing lists.


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club29 wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
club29 wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:

can just see Damian Barrett bringing this up on the footy show If he is struggling for stories



There probably is a bit of story in there for the Journos.

What does the next 10 years hold for struggling afl clubs ?

We all agree the boom is done. We all agree some clubs struggled even during the boom when there was cash everywhere.
I am pretty sure we all agree that no club is going to get the results the Hawks did with their well time fight back.
We know the AFL are planning ahead and lowering prices.
It is fair to say that sponsorship and membership dollars are going to be hard to come by.
We agree that the gap is getting bigger between the haves and have nots (thanks heavs).
We know that membership at Carlton is stagnate and the club isn't going upward in a hurry.
Reading this board we know people are losing interest, not fussed when we lose and apathetic (thanks Synbad).

So what is going to be the big play that saves clubs? Reading what is coming could clubs get ahead of the pack by making a smart play early or should they wait until they are at their lowest and take whatever is thrown their way?

How are poorer clubs going to match it with the big clubs?

Would make an interesting enough story for one of the papers.

Carlton are not poor. We give away a car every raffle.

But in all seriousness, carlton has debt and making good inroads in to that. But, we are far from poor. We have the most expensive coach in the land and have state of the art facilities, which poor clubs dont have and correct me if l am wrong but we are close to the max cap spend that the club can make in the footy department.

So if your only basis for a merger is to merge a playing list in hope of earlier success, then move along.


That is not what I am saying at all. You need to read the whole thread.

I am not saying we are poor. There are poor clubs though. We are at the mid to lower end of the scale however and climbing up to be remotely near the big Melbourne clubs is going to take some magic.

I have not mentioned playing lists.


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