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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:34 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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Watson
Bootsma
Russell
Bower
Hampson
Lucas
Grigg

All guys that should be in the team leading the charge into finals football.

And don't forget Kennedy!


And that's where it starts and finishes.

We need and needed to take a more orthodox approach with recruitment.

I'm going to walk with the epitaph...just to cleanse my soul.

Good Friday football. What do you expect?

Christos Anesti.


It's not about being orthodox, it's about being able to read the draft and as Agro says, about "playing the percentages". I'll say it again, we've picked as many 'safe' players as we've speculated and those haven't worked, either. You can't pick them if you don't give yourself a chance. We recruit to fix problems, not to build to a premiership.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:35 pm 
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Okay everyone who lauded Malthouse, repeat after me..."I was w-w-w-w"


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:37 pm 
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cecil89 wrote:
People can identify the coach as the problem, and there's plenty of ammunition right now, but our troubles go deeper than that. A change of coach won't get any instant results.


:clap: seriously do we think a coaching team of Clarkson and Hinkley could do much more with this crap list?

I'm not saying MM is the answer but to lay the blame purely on him is very short sighted.


I guarantee you Clarko and Hinkley would not have recruited Jones, Thomas, Tutt, Dick, Whiley, Wood, nor would they have kept spuds like White, Ellard and Curnow on the list. Oh and they probably would have been able to keep Betts, Garlett and Waite..... Seriously this guy has traded out our forward line and sent our best defender, Hendo, forward, so now we can't defend nor can we score!!! Oh and he's on track to deliver us a third year with 3 losses in a row.....Need I go on?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:37 pm 
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Oh well, bed for me.
Another weekend ruined.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:38 pm 
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Clearly MM agrees
that the poor performances are nothing to do with him.
:wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:38 pm 
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verbs wrote:
Okay everyone who lauded Malthouse, repeat after me..."I was w-w-w-w"


If you admit I was right. :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:39 pm 
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The club can't afford to be paying Mick $1m a year for a rebuild. The reality for Mick is that he can head off at the end of the year or he can stay and try to finish this project but he'd only be getting half of what he's on & that's being generous! The terms have changed between now & when he took the job.

It sickens me to say it but the board needs to wake up & realise that no club is bullet proof. Our club is dying on its feet right now, it's so sad. Sooner or later people will just stop caring.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:40 pm 
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..I was happy we got MM cos I thought, win or lose,, he'd get us playing like a team.. ..I figured even if he got the arse he would at least set us on the path and create sound foundations.. ....but we've possibly got the first uncoachable team.. ..ratten and malty have very different coachi g styles and game plans, neither got consistent team effort.. bad boys are out, no change in culture.. ..new coach, no change.. ..core group of older and younger leaders had had years, no change.. ..we are a weak, weak rabble.. ....by all means try changing the coach, but we are years off it..

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:40 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
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Okay everyone who lauded Malthouse, repeat after me..."I was w-w-w-w"


If you admit I was right. :wink:


I take it you were against Malthouse coaching from the start? Well gosh darn it, of course you were right. I admit it. You were crazy right dude! :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:41 pm 
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the more attention on the footy club the better,


Hasn't worked in the past

Will not work in the near future

MLG???

SOS??? (friend of MLG)

Matheson and Pratt still on board

It's 2015 FFS...We've been asking for this for the last 5 years

I have NO faith in Carlton anymore


but the more they resist the more its obvious.....

theres always a tipping point.. the critical point

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:42 pm 
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Leading Teams walked away from us, in disbelief. we are broken. unfixable. complete rebuild required.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:42 pm 
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NavyIrish wrote:
The club can't afford to be paying Mick $1m a year for a rebuild. The reality for Mick is that he can head off at the end of the year or he can stay and try to finish this project but he'd only be getting half of what he's on & that's being generous! The terms have changed between now & when he took the job.

It sickens me to say it but the board needs to wake up & realise that no club is bullet proof. Our club is dying on its feet right now, it's so sad. Sooner or later people will just stop caring.


it's happening before your eyes navy,
Unfortunately.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:42 pm 
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You can't buy premierships (players) anymore. Carlton was the best in the business at finding the talent and paying for it. Every since we've not been able to buy success, we've been found wanting.

Now look at the top of the club. Wealthy people who control it. And what do wealthy people do best? They find and buy the best people at any cost to bring themselves success.

In business this is par for the coarse. In AFL football it is not due to rules and regulations.

They thought (as wealthy people do) that rules and regulations do not apply to them. How did that workout for the club?

So here we are since 1995 some 20 years later running the club according to the old boys culture.

Sorry to say, but we're going to have to wait a very long time until that culture is gone (if ever) from our club before we ever see any lasting success.

You can sack the coach, sack the recruiting staff, sack players, it won;t make an once of difference.

Our culture, the old Carlton, still remains at the helm where the real decisions are made.

Good clubs, great clubs, start from the top down.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:43 pm 
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watch us chase dangerfield .... but fail....

its on the cards that one...

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:44 pm 
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cecil89 wrote:
People can identify the coach as the problem, and there's plenty of ammunition right now, but our troubles go deeper than that. A change of coach won't get any instant results.


The minimum expectation from a coach is consistency of message and a sense of direction. That has been sorely lacking for most of the 3 years.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:45 pm 
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idle wrote:
You can't buy premierships (players) anymore. Carlton was the best in the business at finding the talent and paying for it. Every since we've not been able to buy success, we've been found wanting.

Now look at the top of the club. Wealthy people who control it. And what do wealthy people do best? They find and buy the best people at any cost to bring themselves success.

In business this is par for the coarse. In AFL football it is not due to rules and regulations.

They thought (as wealthy people do) that rules and regulations do not apply to them. How did that workout for the club?

So here we are since 1995 some 20 years later running the club according to the old boys culture.

Sorry to say, but we're going to have to wait a very long time until that culture is gone (if ever) from our club before we ever see any lasting success.

You can sack the coach, sack the recruiting staff, sack players, it won;t make an once of difference.

Our culture, the old Carlton, still remains at the helm where the real decisions are made.

Good clubs, great clubs, start from the top down.


great post.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:45 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
watch us chase dangerfield .... but fail....

its on the cards that one...


Don't think so, but you can believe that all you want

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:45 pm 
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4thchicken wrote:
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People can identify the coach as the problem, and there's plenty of ammunition right now, but our troubles go deeper than that. A change of coach won't get any instant results.


The minimum expectation from a coach is consistency of message and a sense of direction. That has been sorely lacking for most of the 3 years.



..ten years plus, at least..

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:46 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
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watch us chase dangerfield .... but fail....

its on the cards that one...


Don't think so, but you can believe that all you want

you think we will snag him????

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:48 pm 
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In this day and age, we chased after the oldest coach in the league, paid him a million dollars a year and expected the guy to take us to the premiership?

Seriously, you lot who went along for the ride...enough. Get.a.grip.


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