Left Herald Sun for 7.

Watching the press conference, Mick doesn't seem to be a fan of his inane questions.

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Kind of reminded me of beating up a cripple...
Ten injuries v a full list

Don't think it matters
Just confirms that some players arent up to standard.

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Our best player was Rowe

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Exactly, Port is an AFL project team. What is it now - 12 million plus the AFL have given Port in assistance. How much of that has gone to their recruiting department? to player welfare? to other player related activities...

And what is even more amusing is that from next year money will be taken from Carlton to assist Port more. Does that make sense?
Who has the better team?

Carlton is paying the penalty of having a rich history - LAST CENTURY...When will the AFL treat Carlton with some respect? When it is too late I am guessing.

How about the AFL giving 12 million to Carlton and then let's see how well Carlton goes. Fair exchange.

Carlton was beaten by the AFL and Port. Who won the game more we will never know.

One can also consider Essendon* a project team, as they got the lettuce leaf treatment with their drug program. I hope Essendon* run out the last quarter well..they seem to always have a second wind in that last quarter. Amazing fitness.

Thought Mick spoke well at presser. Clearly can't tolerate Stevens, so Mick needs to be the adult and deadbat things back. We are not as good as the close losses indicate nor as bad as this. Positives, Jamo was excellent, Gibbs good, Rowe excellent and has loads of character. His rise is the single most satisfying thing in a woeful season. Juddy will be solid next year but his great days are behind him. White has a bit of mongrel. We just have few natural leaders compared to sides like Port. They wee getting into Murph again last night and no-one ay Carlton bothered.

Our medium term future is bleak. Can't see us being genuine contenders over the next 5 years and by many of our better players will be retired or on the wane and we just don't have much quality coming through. I think any list of the best players 24 or under for eAch club will have us near the bottom. Hard to fathom how we drafted Lucas. He is a terrible kick. Our disposal is generally poor and guys on AFL lists who aren 't precise kicks probably won't improve their kicking much. We will be lucky to field a team next week and could be looking at another 100 pointer, so we might end up 15th, on of our worst seasons ever. We are the worst side in the 21st century and we have years of pain before we will have the chance to contend even if we do everything right (unlikely!). I worry about our long term future. I think we have an ageing supporter base and we may never get back to the power club on and off the field that we were for so much of our history. MLG is possibly the most important person at the club at its most critical juncture. We cannot afford bad decisions at any level.

Also lets forget about "project teams". Port came in with way worse conditions than any if the other new teams and have gone from basket case to finalist with sell out crowds. How exactly wd $12m help guys kick to team mates, not fumble etc. Port drafted their list on a shoestring if we constantly look for excuses and blame every else for our poor drafting and admin, we will be down the bottom forever. I admire what Port have done, wish we cd do that.

Nothing to see here or to read into other than we aren't a deep team, so we can't cover injuries, we're a relatively young side, so 2nd last round we're shot. Got no legs.

And we knew we had a dozen or so cloggers on our list. Last night exposed several of them. Again.

The opening qtr was as fast a game I've seen this year. High standard. I didn't think port could play 4 qtrs like that. Based on last night, I'd say them and the swans are the best teams we've played this year. Everyone else beatable.

I thought at the start some players were showing a bit of protection for Murph early on in the 1st. Cam Wood at one of the ruck contests and maybe Ed at another. Jasper Pittard (weed) was torn a new one for his sly after the goal bump.

Agree with Rowe. Great show of determination to get where to the level where's he playing now. White is still short on skill but certainly has a crack (looked like he may have re-injured his neck there for a moment).

Boys were tapped out and a lot of younger players tested, which will put them in a better position for next year or a greater understanding on deficiencies moving forward. Put that one behind us and hopefully don't let the same happen vs the scum to round out the year.

Off-season team projects. Reducing turnover and red time goals.

They have gone from basket case to sell out crowds WITH the direct intervention of the AFL. Well I see Carlton as being a basket case, so where is the direct intervention from the AFL for Carlton?

Where's the money, the moral support, the assistance, it could even be marketing assistance to get our membership up.....It just won't happen, because there is one rule for teams like Port, Brisbane, Melbourne, North, Hawthorn, GWS etc... and another rule for Carlton.

If Carlton hadn't have won 16 premierships in the last century oddly I think the AFL would have bent over backwards for them. In this comp, winners are losers and losers are winners. I am just sick of seeing the Carlton brand trashed, and the AFL standing by funding other clubs in the meantime. I get the feeling Carlton is being white-anted...and "equalisation" measures as mentioned earlier this year make one even more suspicious.

A club that has gone backwards in membership (Carlton) and lost money/made a loss is expected to help out Port financially? Where is the justice.

The dawn of a new era. Our 11th 100 point loss. The march to 20 has begun.

Pretty close to the mark. Port flogged us is round 1 in a similar way after half time. That game we had 12 senior players on the ground, not kids.

Don't agree tap. Can't see how the AFL intervention would make a lot of difference at Carlton. Port drafted this side on a shoestring and i think their footy department spends way less than ours. I don't want handouts and how is 100 million going to make guys who can't kick, be able to hit targets. We have about 20 coaches including one of the best paid in the comp. we need to take responsibility for the decisions we make instead of bleating. Our club made the decisions that reduced us from a power to a rabble, no good blaming everyone else.

same Port line up that lost to the bombers at home by 2 points.

Melbourne almost knocked off Port too

And even the giants and gold coast. The pies beat them and the Pies arent much to write about and are playing poorly themselves

Did Port get back one player and all of a sudden they are a 100 point better team than Carlton who should have knocked off the cats and freo in previous weeks?

Looks like someone in the box was out witted Mr S - BIG TIME

I wonder if anybody knows who that "someone" is??

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Handouts? Give it a rest Tap. Not only have they worked their arse's off off the field with the appointments of Koch, Thomas, Burgess, Hinkley, restructuring of the board etc, but their drafting and trading has been streets ahead of ours without any priority or Number 1 picks.

As well as the trading of Ebert, Hombsch, Neade, Schultz, Monfries and a free agent in White last nights team featured at least one player from each National Draft dating back to 2005! Of course every club has it's misses - and I haven't compared it to others - but it shows how important it is to not have any years that are complete 'blow-outs'.

2013

Pick 21 -Jarman Impey

2012

Pick 7 - Ollie Wines

2011

Pick 6 - Chad Wingard

2010

Pick 36 - Aaron Young
Pick 52 - Cam Oshea
Rookie Selection - Tom Jonas

2009

Pick 9 - Andrew Moore
Pick 16 - Jasper Pittard

2008

Pick 4 - Hamish Hartlett
Pick 22 - Jackson Trengove
Pick 38 - Matthew Broadbent

2007

Pick 16 - Matt Lobbe

2006

Pick 5 - Travis Boak
Pick 55 - Robbie Gray
Pick 71 - Justin Westhoff

2005

Pick 44 - Alipate Carlislie

Personally I couldn't give a shit what Champion Data thinks of that.

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first time ive seen white witches hats thought they were red

yes there was that but it also showed how poor our depth is.

You raise some good points. I agree - Carlton has to look inwards to its own recruiting, to its own decision making... One could look at any number of recruiting decisions from Bootsma to Lucas to Watson to Warnock to even Kreuzer (vs Cotchin) as being mistakes in hindsight.

The resources should be there with 3 recruiting officers, and a head recruiting officer... but mistakes are still consistently made. Big mistakes.

Where I have a problem is that to engineer a "equitable competition" the AFL has to keep sticking its finger in the pie. One year it will be Port, next Brisbane etc...but they never assist Carlton, they just take from Carlton to assist these other clubs. Now that Port is a top 4 team does that mean that the AFL still has to drip-feed them money>? or are they ok now? When does the AFL give and take assistance and why isn't Carlton ever on their platform of assistance?

I presume they will be giving Port an extra 2-4 million this year over what Carlton gets- why not instead give that extra 2-4 million to Carlton and then Carlton can put that money into facilities, membership drives, player welfare, paying off debt etc.

Carlton has been down the ladder more than pretty much any other team over the last 10 years - more than Port anyway- can they divert funds to Carlton then? Is this taken into consideration by the AFL? Can they do something else for Carlton perhaps for a change?
That is all I am asking. Don't take - give to Carlton.

If we were operating in a capitalist/free market system then yes I would say it is all Carlton's fault if we were in the diabolical position we are in, but we are in a Soviet designed gulag/socialist system. Getting money and moral support from Moscow (AFL head office) is a key component of doing well in this competition. Do you think the rise of Hawthorn was all due to their own making for instance? or did Moscow have something to do with it? I can tell you that without Moscow Hawthorn would have not won the 2008 and 2013 flags.

Didn't even know the match was on Friday night, that's how much interest I have for this team at the moment.

Our captain has become the new Koschitzke.

We had 25 players to pick from for the game. 11 players under 50 games. A handful with less than 10 games. No finals. A number of players playing injured too.

Vs a Port team fighting for top 4. 41 out of 44 players available. At home. Their first Friday night game since 2011. Out of a heavy training phase. They were primed.

Perfect storm.

You should never lose by 100+ points though don't you think ?

I didn't expect a 100 point loss. But I did expect a heavy loss.