It's just your imagination, he only runs one way

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Not at all. I would like to see Carlton win every week - and I shout'n'holler for that every week.

Just outlining the reality of the stupid system we play in.

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It sucks either way.

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What you've highlighted is a combination of lack of
Midfield depth and Quality

But it's all Micks fault you realize

Yazz has become a very solid citizen. His disposal the last month has been sublime. Less of the GOTY stuff but just as damaging in setting up goals for others. We now need to get Jeffy back before seasons end....doing what we know he can do. Big Levi is really blossoming, and certainly a massive tick as a rookie selection for our rightly maligned recruiters

Levi blossoming with his one good game in 5 ... this time on the 188 cm Gwilt and no pressure to kick goals
Lets see how he goes V Swans

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We can have a red hot crack for the rest of the year and the only games we could possibly win are GCST without Gazza, or Norff in one of their careless losses against the lower sides. There looks to be enough games amongst those under us to make us a huge show for bottom 4.

This.

Swans will double team him and block his run at the ball. That's a coaching issue, not a talent issue.

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He has improved his fitness though and has clunked many heavily contested marks. He is definitely improving, and it's not like we have a heap of key forwards capable of taking those marks. He may indeed struggle against the Swan backs this week, but he has got better this year no doubt.

..and then Hendo gets free.... ..but blocking a forwards' run is more effective against a lead up, hit up type of target.. ..against pressure team, the long bail out kick to the square for the big pack mark works in his favour.. ....and on a scg ground quick movement and a long penetrating kick may be the gig..

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AFLCA votes: round 16

Carlton v St KIlda
10 Andrejs Everitt (Carl)
7 Marc Murphy (Carl)
7 Andrew Walker (Carl)
4 Levi Casboult (Carl)
1 Michael Jamison (Carl)
1 Shane Savage (StK)

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And i thought I was negative....Levi is an inexperienced player who is developing. He is big, strong, mobile and has great hands, plenty to work with. Josh Kennedy took a number of years to become a good CHF. And Gwilt did okay in grand finals against Cloke and Mooney so he is no mug. Give Levi a chance. On the small SCG ag a miserly defence and everyone under extreme pressure, sure it will be harder but we are years away from being a good side and if he keeps developing at the current rate then he will be okay....no Albert Proud of course.

Surprised by Walker being so high. Thought he cost us a bit through turnovers and not great kick-ins.

Just rapt to have such a big win.

If we had this mindset against other lower team we might have 3 to 4 extra wins.

There are entire matches he is unsighted....

he hasnt improved to the point hes an proper AFL footballer in the sense that he will leave a mark most of the time.

I think people get carried away......

He did ok against Hawthorn then he was unsighted again.

Put it this way.. how many goals has he kicked for the season before the StKilda game...

One thing about playing StKilda most of our players looked like Hall Of Famers...

But thats not the reality of a competition with 16 other clubs

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Oh geez now we compare him to JK.... dearie me... oh ok!!!

Great post!!!...



How old is Casboult for someone so inexperienced and what country did we bring him in from to learn about footy???

Hes around 25....
hes played 25 games.. for a reason... even in a crap team like Carlton..

He offers no defensive aspect when we dont have the ball.. and he kicked 4 under no pressure.
Under pressure he buckles...

See at training most of these guys kick goals.. but after running a few kms in matvck competitions and the pressure they miss.... why?
because under pressure people resort to what they are and what they know.....because thats how the human mind works.....

You wanna argue me???
Lets talk Albert Proud as well.. whats your argument???

Ill accommodate you as well.... its not like i cant....

One thing i do is chew and spit out simpletons at a rate of knots....

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I think the reality is that Levi is still with us because our list is so crap. If we had any other young talls worth their salt Levi may have run out of time.

....But I like him and it is what it is so I hope he makes it.

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There are entire matches he is unsighted....

he hasnt improved to the point hes an proper AFL footballer in the sense that he will leave a mark most of the time.

I think people get carried away......

He did ok against Hawthorn then he was unsighted again.

Put it this way.. how many goals has he kicked for the season before the StKilda game...
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Needs to be played permanent forward in order to make more of a mark. Not as a ruck-2nd/3rd tall forward.

How many ruck/forwards are there that have a consistent impact on the game? He is way out of position for 1/2 of our forward entries and when he is there, henderson/waite have traditionally drawn a lot more of the ball than casboult even when he is in a better position/on a clear lead.

How many goals do you expect ruck/forward to kick? Particularly one that has only just started his career in the senior team.

Why hasnt he played more? - Was a project player that was drafted as a 19 yo soccer convert (since 16) that needed to drastically change body shape/improve fitness when drafted ie casboutl required development.

So how has he done?
2010 - yr 1. Worked hard, lost a HUGE amount of weight, showed lots in the 2nds (including finals games)
2011 - yr 2. Elevated to senior list in in march (ie showed enough promise), but then got injured shortly after (april) and was put onto the long term injury list with a knee complaint. Came back late in the season to again do well in the 2nds (again including finals)
2012 - yr 3. Missed most of the season with another knee injury, played about 6 quarters of football post layoff (VFL development + VFL game) before being required to play 1st ruck. Did reasonably well and showed plenty of promise in his first 6 games (aside from horrible 0.5 against GC)
2013 - yr 4. Elevated to senior list under a new coach under a completely new game plan. Managed to get some games but was never shown a lot of faith (played rds 1-2. 10-15, 21-SF). Showed glimpses but considered to behind kreuzer/hampson/warnock and never really got an extended run to build confidence
2014 - yr 5. Again, rated behind warnock/kreuzer. Got his opportunity due to kreuzer being ruled out for the season and has started to develop a bit more consistency as he has gained confidence.

Casboult is a young 24 (start of season), played just 29 games and has shown improvement in each and every season at the club. Has shown a lot in those early games to show that he can contribute in the long term at a reasonbly high level.

More importantly, what more should casboult have done thus far in his career to show that he will be a very good player in the longer run? Perhaps he should have avoided getting PCL injuries in 2011 & 2012? Or perhaps mick, as a new coach should have gone into the 2013 rating a rookie a recent rookie elevation ahead of 2 former 1st round draft picks? (ie not going to happen)

4th chicken

u staked your whole credibility in arguing that Lance was the man to hold onto..
You have a glaring history of backing the wrong horses..its hard to take you or anything you say seriously...

please... put an end to your deluded logic

Casboult may have improved in every year and he may have been 24 which he isnt any more...
Why dont you just say his age... his 25... not 24 start of the season...Do people talk about your age as what you were on New years eve 6 months later if youve turned over a year??


But so has everybody improved...
The question is...is he a guy that you would bet to save your life in a final?

And will he ever be somebody you want in a final kicking crucial goals for you....
He destroyed StKilda... woo pee do!!!

One of the things people need to get a grip on is 'perspective'
When Casboult does this consistently he gets the recognition...


hes into his 25th year.. and hes a C grader.. hardly anything to get excited about...

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