Of course I agree with you there.

I would like to think that anybody who did have ideas they wanted to share with the club would somehow get in in contact with the club and let them know of those ideas.

That's something I've one before. Just emailed the club with an idea I had.

Re the think tank.......believe me when I say the vast majority wouldn't have that high an opinion of themselves thinking their ideas are better than anyone else's.

Also if memory serves me right didn't we have an ideas forum on this site??? When one or two of the directors were online reading or should I say collating ideas that were being put forward by members here. I think that's right. Does anyone remember that?

Point being - ideas or suggestions can or from many sources. No limitations.

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That's right. Gather the nector my little drones and make honey. Honey for your children.......Fools!!!

I already have. Read my posts in this thread.

So what is the purpose of forming the YCP ?

Its not clear to me - why should I join or attend any of their functions? (ie if I were YOUNG enough)

If it's a networking club for professionals who happen to be carlton members and are under a certain age, then why not say so??? In that case, the club shouldn't endorse the group - we aren't a recruitment agency. We have flags to win.

This group is Still vague and superficial to me.

Surely it cant be that difficult to outline the main agenda of the YCP - after all it has been essentially endorsed by the Club - should be on the public record like all the other groups.

Is it a secret?

You attending a function for social reasons. can you find out or refer to a link whereby we can discover the secrets of the YCP?

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socialising group thats all

ok so if youre an insignificant group socialising thats required to contribute $250 to the club and thats it..

ok.

super club initiaive

sounds like a prom night.

nice

ok i understand

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This has all got a bit ridiculous

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dane's trolling again

Not at all dane. You have to give credit to the YCP for their ingenuity. Their exclusive collective brainstorming session 'Think Tank' has obviously been adopted as a 'whole of club' strategy. The players and coaches are all on board and the way some players were slipping over on Saturday afternoon - I'd suggest the bootstudder is on board as well. Genius...'Think Tank!'

Let them have their club. They can think tank all they want, what difference will it make?

Is your issue with this something personal?

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ok im not following

is this an exclusive group thats brain storming or is it a social group that contributes money to the club?
im getting two stories here ... and i wanna get to the bottom of this..
whats the point of this young group?
i wanna be young sherlock holmes....

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Can we start a new thread on every other Carlton related group please? Might as well pick them apart too.

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dane's trolling again

this is the problem with this club... people not caring enough....

i care if my club picks and chooses clubs on exclusive perimeters.

its a football CLUB... means were all in this together......
but there is bubble inside bubble inside bubble.
starting with an oligarchy at the top.. and filtering through a number of bubbles right throughout the club.

this young club has no clear agenda.... just another club within the club


if you cannot see that ...you cannot see the ills of the club

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I think there are bigger fish to fry Synbad.

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dane's trolling again

There are some people with serious issues here.

Doc is jealous because he wants to start his own group and misses out on all the attention. Doc loves the attention.

It is a business networking group. Simple as that. No need to go on and on and on about it.

Don't like it then don't join. If you can't join, then get off your ass and start your own group instead of sitting on your ass behind the keyboard.

I wish I didn't start this thread now.

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

things are suposed to be picked up dane.... if they stand up to the test they pass.
this club hasnt stood up to any test so it fails

you see ... if they told us what theyre actually doing we might leave it alone
if they cant tell us what the point of this club is... and its just another exclusive kids club.. then its not a representation of my footy club

its reasons like this i dont contribute a cent...

my club is dead..!!... its been replaced by Oligarchs and young Oligarchs

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You have a club already - Talking Carlton. This place will be nothing without you. Indirectly you decide who comes and go. You have attracted a lot of people to this website and p*ssed a lot of people off and are no longer here.

This is your club Synbad.

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

Big fish are sweet... small fish are sweeter.

Makes no difference to me... i always wanna see the point in whats going on.


Whats the point of this young club...???

If they can say its money raising i can live with that....

if its brainstorming can we see what theyre brainstorming or is it a secret???

Its a club.. means all inclusive...

but this club doesnt mean that all... the youth thing or the CFC

just tell us what they do...!!!.,... are they the freemasons or what???
secret handshakes and goat sacrifices???

im interested in what the club does...

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oh you give me so much credit...thank you... but thats only because people cant stand someone who looks at things not as they are portrayed and questions things.. probes them.. picks at them.. people find it uncomfy dont they??... people arent conditioned to think alot.. just accept.
you get the suggested persuasion technique all day every day... people think of it as normal.. they cant even question anything thats put before them.
but this club TC doesnt need the blessing of the footy club to exist.. that one does... so if the club is picking and choosing wwhat clubs can exist on its behalf .. i wanna know why? so i can understand it.
Your mind isnt trained like mine..... so this whole thing of where this club is right now is a bit of a shock to you..... not to me...!!.. well maybe the depth of catastrophe but it was always coming...

You tell me Clayman what the real point to the Young Carlton group is?
do you know?
Why can this one be allowed to exist and the next one cant???
What gets the clubs official blessing and why?

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Thank you Gina Rheinhart.

Unfortunately not everyone has parent who have a football club by the financial balls so well that they can treat it as a play thing .

They even let the kiddies steer .

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I hope Essendon* folds.

JohnM summed it up far more eloquently than me. I wholeheartedly concur with his posts on this issue. There may well be a Supporter Alliance next year - but that concept is damaged a little if it has to co-exist with the YCP's group. Will Mark LoGiudice and Ryan Trainor really allocate their time across two groups? Creates an unhealthy perception whether it's present or not. Carlton has wealthy supporters but it also has a real melting pot of cultures and classes.

It also has a University on its doorstep that it doesn't really utilize. Luke Sayers visits every once in a while to spruik PWC and I've suggested to him he do likewise with his role at Carlton. It's not difficult. These things aren't...so why does this club always make it so?

The more and more i think of this group .. the more im fascinated in it.
I think ill make it one of my pet projects to probe....

young professional under 45s group.
must be up to 45...

i dont think thats all that young....but anyway....
professional and must be employed.
so if any of these young peeps gets retrenched do they have to report it immediately and stand aside till suitable emplyment commences??
i actually dont get this kind of thing.... asks more questions than i think they will answer.
so this one is a pet project for me.. its in my ever expanding portfolio of things to explore about this club.

Ive marked it in my folio as "aspiring Oligarchs".. its next to "Oligarchs"
As you can see im hardly organised and theyre not in alphabetical order... but i have many folios to investigate and i know where they all are....

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Personally, i have no issue with anyone setting up their own group with the intent of providing support to the club but having had a look at their webpage and the conditions of membership to claim it's not exclusive is just not right. The very fact that one needs to fit a certain demographic be that in relation to age, work status etc makes it so. Having said that i am not saying it is right or wrong, just don't claim you aren't exclusive when you are.

This is what the website says;

YCP CONNECTS LIKE-MINDED EMERGING LEADERS TO AN INFLUENTIAL BUSINESS AND SPORTING NETWORK SUPPORTED
BY THE ICONIC CARLTON FOOTBALL CLUB


Further on is the following statement:

The ultimate aim is for the ‘Think Tank’ sessions to generate ideas that can be presented to the Carlton Football Club Board and eventually rolled out.



Is this group being set up as an intended pathway to leadership positions within the club?

Whilst i would have no issue with any group brainstorming and making suggestions on the future direction of the club the claim being made on the website is that their ideas will be rolled out. That certainly would be of concern to me as this group would hardly be representative of the broader membership and support base of the club.


I can understand Doc's reaction to this as it seems to me that somewhere along the line someone has taken an idea which he talked about in another thread ( the supporter's alliance) and restricting that to a very exclusive and generally non representative group of members. It would probably be better to have one group which represents people from the broader demographic of supporters discussing and presenting ideas on the future direction of the club to the vice presidents.


I found one other statement interesting;

YCP is a concept that we all devised ourselves in mid-2012 – that is why we are the members of the Executive. We took the idea to the Club in late 2012,

From that statement i am assuming this executive is appointed and not elected by the membership of the group, sounds frighteningly similar to what occurs at the board level of the club.

I think it is quite reasonable to be questioning and asking for clarification when it appears to be a group being supported by the club.