I don't think any club has a shit list...(a genuine premiership or finals list? that's another matter)

Its about bringing the talent and strengths within that list, together and getting the best out of the team, year after year....until the club becomes a genuine flag threat.

Our list is certainly not a top four - but it isn't a bottom 4 either,.

This group of players can produce some exiting football. (even without Fev and now Betts - the Blues have always played like that as long as I can remember.)

You only need to look at the come back win against the Power in Adelaide last year, and the second half against the tigers in the final (even though the tigers shit themselves in that second half)

Then 7 days later we played the Swans in what I can only describe as one of the poorest efforts a carlton team has put together.

So how do we go from positive footy one game then a total rabble the next game?

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33 is more than I thought we'd drafted but a clearer test would be to check how many 17-18 year olds we'd selected within the first 50 or so players picked per draft, I'm sure it would be a lot uglier. The fact that we've celebrated so many rookie 'successes' in the past is kind of ironic.



I've always believed that but the problem is that we do bugger it up, partly because we are too hasty to be competitive before we are truly ready to challenge and partly because we don't know S**t from clay.

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the port game we had it on the line.
they have been improving for the season... they have taken another stride forwards this year.

what other game made u proud over the last 2 season.. apart from the port game?

richmond???

port will continue to go forward they have a good mix of talent and player possies. also young and experienced.

some of our players refuse to do the basics... and that makes it difficult.
but our list is shot...our best players are thirty or approaching thirty
we dont have much coming through.. which is why we went after daisy....
you can put in solid performances.. but that doesnt mean youre a serious contender.
at this stage im looking for honesty.. i know we arent going to be serious contenders
are u saying we should be serious contenders with what we have???... or we should be more honest aand play with some pride??
the latter im agreeing with u.. if youre going to tell me we should be serious contenders im gunna giggle.

the game has been changing and evolving a hell of alot.... we have gone one way.. the game another...we have not accumulated the right mix of players.
partly recruitment... partly development.. and partly how we have used them.. and i also think a big part is club culture.
we treat them too nice...theyre spoilt.. if youre a good player at carlton youll be very comfortable...(good player means youre rated by the club not by the opposition)
last year... early last year if have told gibbs and murph to sign a contract... if they didnt they would have been put up for trade last year.. not have them testing the market this year.
id still trade off murph this season.. no ifs no buts.. unless he didnt land me a pick in the top 12 or so.
as far as im concerned he needs to move on...
would i be wrecking the fabric of the footy club??? .. if the answer is yes.. im happy.
everybody at this club is way too comfortable...

but they all would have been up for trade last year if they havent signed by end of last year...
id have told them sign.. or test the market place this year... see what youre worth in the open market this year... youre getting traded.

the eddie situation getting nothing for him should never had happened.
aand i dont want any flower who doesnt have his heart in this club staying at this club... half arsed performances need to be knocked out of us.

if i can go into this years draft with TWO picks in the top dozen id be happy.. and murph should know it.. as should Gibbs and anyone else.

the club is the sick old man of the afl....it needs a transfusion.... something to invigorate it on and off the park.

thats how i would do contracts....
thats how i would manage them...

we molly-coddle them.. is there any wonder we are soft???

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Letting Alwyn Davey slip through their hands was the last straw.

#NoConfidence!

I am as much of a critic of our recruiting as anyone, but have a look at the draft and see what came after our choices, a lot of clubs picked duds. The main problem is that we seemed to take little account of leadership, or ferocious desperation with our picks. You need guys who can will you over the line when the match is in dispute. Apart from Judd who does that? Our most baffling choice was recruiting four tap ruckman, none of whom can play forward, and choosing to use #1 pick on Big K instead of giving it to WCE in the Judd deal and retaining Josh K. We ended up with 4 average ruckmen and no CHF. Alos for all Yarran's silky skill I'd rather Ziebells desperation.
As everyone else has said it comes from the top and we haven't changed, we make bad decisions and then throw money behind hasty decisions to go for quick success.

Like a few on here, I find myself very underwhelmed by my club and not greatly hurt by their losses. The committee are smug business men with little feel for the game or will to look long term, the coach has been a good coach but is at Carlton for huge money, motivated by bitterness (and I really dislike him), not enough of the players look to care enough. We have a lazy culture of entitlement. We need leaders on and off the field.

Our recruiting is a disgrace been saying for years how can hughes keep his job for so long.Geelong bloke why did he leave?People getting paid good dollars and failing.I am so glad that bruce brought up media attention .

Gregg Swann will sort everything out.

He is looking in Lexus centre disposable bins as we speak.

He will come up with something or someone. Maybe Phil Manassa is available?

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Sooooo .....

let me get this straight .....

I'm starting to sense that .......maybe, just maybe.......you feel that Gregg Swann has recruited some ex Collingwood people to Carlton....

And that maybe there's a pattern starting to form ......


Is that about right?

Actually were recruiting the Collingwood people ... Thats the bit C doesnt get...
Hes saying Swann is doing it...

Its like you have a bad painter painting your home...
and hes doing a shit job.... but you allow him to go on and on....
and then u need an electrician... and he said .. wait my brother is an electrician.. so you bring him in .. and hes not flash...
then u need a plumber.. your plumbing is blocked... and the painter says.. my brother in law is a plumber and you bring him in.... hes crap

and then u need some plastering.... so the painter says my cousin is a great plasterer.. and u say ok.....

then u need a roofer..and the painter says my other cousin is a roofer... yu bring him in and he says ill do it but i have to go on holidays first.... so he goes on holidays meanwhile its raining...

the next thing that happens to this great house your dad passed you down in inheritence is the kid next door kicks a footy straight through your window... you need a glazier... the painter says thats a coincidence... my partner is a glazier.. he comes but the window never quite looks the same hes found it from some off cut...

your wife would never blame the painter.. she will blame u.
because common sense says YOU were the flower.. not the painter.. the plumber.. the electrician.. the plasterer.. the roofer.. the glazier.

but you swear black and blue its the painters fault...!!!!

This is what youre saying Cretylus....
Responsibility lays at the feet of those that are ultimately responsible
same as on a ship....

rationalising this to blame others is ridiculous.....

but thats what this club has become.. a joke!!!
outside of carlton people nobody takes us seriously... but we think its everybody elses fault

i seriously dont get that kind of argument... its weird....

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Anyone who was at the AGM and can decipher 'Kernahan-ese' heard the President mention Collingwood about 17 times...I'd prefer not to hear Collingwood mentioned at all during a Carlton AGM - but Kernahan has been and still is fixated by them. Dumb.

Sam Landsberger has our back!

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... 6859103911

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ONE question after judd who has swan brought to our club.( i could of done that deal).

Thomas
Lyons said he was the best player in the comp 2 years ago

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Nup. Thomas came for Mick. If Brett Ratten was coach - Dale Thomas wouldn't have come across.

His (Sam Landsberg's) article is right in a circular type of fashion although he doesn't mention it directly, but it is important to see what the youngsters can offer- Menzel, Graham, Buckley. Get them in the team asap.

We will be going nowhere if we have plonkers such as McLean (whose tackling and physical pressure on the weekend was not up to scratch) and Carazzo as well. Choose one or the other. We can't carry both of them as neither of them are linking players (ie fast run by handball receives players) and neither will be around in 2-3 years when Carlton should be on the rise.

Too many entitled players. Waite - it should be his last year unless he pulls a rabbit out of his hat, so get some game time into Casboult and the like this year in preparation of the change over.

That article was either written by a certain type of Carlton supporter or by someone who is a bit twisted and wants to gloat in our failure. Pump them up so that they think that nothing is wrong and do nothing about it. "...Nailed their No. 1 selections, landed some beauties late..." - who is he kidding?

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Without absolving anyone of responsibility, not enough responsibility has been shouldered by those responsible for development of these draft picks.

It's all very well to identify talent but another thing to develop them into the real deal. The real problem is that Carlton hasn't had the structures in place to assist in this development, team rules, team discipline, collective accountability and the like.

And this includes off the field.

Love him or hate him, there is no doubt that David Koch has done remarkable things for Port Adelaide and has turned the off-field issues around so that Ken Hinkley can sort out the on-field.

I'd be disappointed if we didn't find and elect a board that addresses those issues.

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no

you have obviously totally misinterpreted the vibe of my post

You should be utterly ashamed of yourself as a human being.

I will be writing to my local member of parliament about this little incident

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Unless it is in reference to the 1970, 1979 and 1981 grand finals

Or perhaps in reference to Teddy Hopkins or Harmes tapping in the ball from the 6th row

Surely we can have some sort of grown up mature discussion about the pies at every 3rd AGM - at least

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