I don't know that he was outcoached, he just didn't have the quality of players at his disposal that Horse did, Sydney is a fair step above teams such as Port Adelaide and Richmond, even when wounded.

One team was clearly Top 4 standard and the other a 6-10 team.

nah there had to be some kind of work rate
midfield was non existent
judd / mclean and murph useless

shown what its all about and whats needed

u need work rate as a base

i feel for the people who went to that game
worst final ever!!!

we were crap....

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out coached ?
we had a bunch of guys who were not comited to playing finals footy

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I agree- some of his long kicking was exceptional. He can really kick it a long way - one of the longer kicks in the team based on what I saw. And he has some upside going forward.

Disappointing aspect for me was letting Jarrad McVeigh play as a loose man in defence.

It didn't work and they should have manned him up. There were also many contests in the forward line where the Swans had 4 players to Carlton having two. This indicates players were not working hard enough to make options in the forward line. Numbers to the ball- always seemed outnumbered. The forwards needed to spread out and create more options, not be bunched up for McVeigh to attack from.

Positives: ?? It was more finals experience.
Thought Warnock was ok in patches.
Murphy tried to lift the team in patches.
They were kind to Carlton in the last quarter.

Nah, he was one of our better players when he came on.
Watching it live he was actually one of few having a real go. Happy for him

What will make last night seem worse is that Freo will likely hammer them next week

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before you worry a bout any game plan you wish to execute .. there needs to be some kind of work ethic
if our players didnt want to work hard in a final that if you win makes you move through to the prelims.. we ust dont have a list of footballers that "get it!"

everybody was looking to one another to make something happen.
we shot blanks all night

the last quarter doesnt count because the game was shot.

only look at 3 quarters.

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No real leadership
front runners bar a few
we didn't achieve much this year except for MM to find out what our list is really like
leadership is a massive one for me

a couple of guys in this area and you would see improvement in guys like Casboult

that wont happen until the list is picked apart

Things for this year
Graham
Menzel
Buckley
become regulars
trade some players who are soft
get rid of a few
give the captaincy to someone who is a regular who is a leader.Simmo or Hendo

reading those posts after the Tiggies game last night folks last night was the reality check you needed and shows how starved of success we have been
6 day breaks as opposed to 8 day breaks so what
the ground was shit an didn't suit us so what
they are lame ,pathetic excuses

Bottom line
We our an average team when we should be top 4 with all the high draft picks we have had over the last 10 years.

as I said about a year ago
Mick has a lot ahead of him

People can talk about how our season ended well, and about how the Swans are a benchmark. Which is fair, I guess.

But! What gets me is our lack of want -- as per Mick's post-game suggestion -- but also the way we played scared from the outset. Before a tackle had even been made, or the tone had been set ... we were scared out of our minds and did not want the ball.

We'd get the ball and blindly kick it into nowhere within 1 second of possessing it. What were they scared of? Being tackled onto the soft, wet ground?

Then by the third quarter, we didn't even want to pick the pill up. Instead we'd toe-poke it up the pitch into a waiting herd of swans.

This to me is the most troubling aspect of the last decade of following the Blues. Sure, we're inconsistent and our foot & hand skills have always been wanting. But it's upstairs, it's the in the minds. We are soft, and we give up once a challenge gets presented to us.

Last week verse Wichmond, it was more the Tigers choking & opening up the corridor, than us grabbing the game by the throat and being brave.

I can see it in Mick too. He can help with strategy, tactics and football awareness, but he can't do shit to make our mice into men.

Summed up beautifully

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Yep!

My younger brother drove up there with his two boys, glad I couldn't make it now

I can't actually think of a single Carlton player who I thought played well.

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To quote 2012 - Isn't it the coaches job to make sure the players are committed and to get the best out of them? We didn't see the best of a lot of players last night.

Mm presser spot on I have been saying this for two years we need half a dozen more guys who can go through midfield

His game plan regularly wins games when we have 100 less touches

That says his game plan goes ok

I can tell you that sticks and they boys club are feeling content. We made the finals, even though by default, and went further than Essendon*, collingwood and Richmond.

None of the will fall on their sword and unfortunately it will be the same old same old next year. They will target some lesser lights at the club get rid of them and tell everyone they have made some big decisions.

Time for supporters to stand up demand a full review and get sticks and co to crawl out of the rocks in which they live. Our club needs to be bold again and ruthless and leading the way in every aspect. It won't happen on sticks' and the boys club clock.

I will tell you one thing though MM will be demanding a lot more from them than he did this year ... And I will also tell you most of them won't like it.

Too many tired, sore, injured players, that six day v eight day turnaround was the final nail in the coffin. Pretty proud of the boys really, we've been playing for our football lives since round 21 against the Tiges, the result against the Swans was about what I expected/feared. If by some miracle we had won we would have been flogged next week, as will the Swans. If we'd won a few more matches early in the season maybe we could have progressed further, but we are way off being a top four side.

The glass is half full. There'll of course be a few players gone before next pre season, but no need to panic and have a large clean out. A little smart recruiting in the off season and with luck we'll see a step forward next year. Don't know why we'd be interested in Staker though at his age, not exactly a star player. Don't know if we should be looking to spend a motsa on Thomas either, let's chase some good kids, kids who could be KPPs, who may be ten year players.

Now for an off season largely dedicated to improving foot and hand skills, there's just no hope of being serious finals contenders without big improvement there.

Onwards to 2014, then maybe, just maybe in 2015...

As it is, we have a one-way midfield that doesn't bat deep
Add to that, we carry 3 small forwards every week who've been patchy at best all year and can't rotate through the middle
Our best tagger out for most of the year
A B grade ruck outfit
How the hell we got to ninth spot is beyond me

OUT
Armfield
Yarran
Robbo
Scotto
One of Cachia or Curnow
Warnock
Betts
Duigan

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