the indie review will have to be truly indie...

i know.. and thats hard but not impossible.. someone might come in and say sticks and the club has been magnificent and doing a lot of things right and sign of on that public....

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Ok, clearly you have your view.

Why do you need a lot of people here to agree and say we need an independent review?

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Think some would be against it as the inadequacies would be there for all to see...

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advise me - how can we get, new people on the board with nothing to hide, so they can implement a much needed full independent review ??

you see rexy i hav e been in deep thought and i know sticks wouldnt want an indie report...

which means if there is a media groundswell for the idea.. and the media get brought in...

sticks wouldnt be a very comfortabe president.. much less comfy tha u screamin g for fahour to take him on

sticks hates the media.. and im sure he will very much hate reading caro articles a bout himself... the idea being he has the spotlight put on him for once

im sure fatprick and KB would like to bring this to attention too....

sticks ass needs to sweat abit.. and i thin k thats the best way of achieving a sweaty sticky arse.. hes been too comfy for too long

so supposing we push for this via the now trendy social media.. and get mainstream media attention... theyre selling more papers... essendons drugs and sticks on the board for longer than his playing career.. but part of carltons darkest ever period...plus the caretaker president who wont go away... plus a guy who wont welcome an inde rview...

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Put them all on drugs

Dob them all in

All given life bans

start again

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

there is only way .... pressure through media...

if there is one thing sticks cant handle its the media...

spotlight!!!
... how he is travelling in his tenure.... it has to read pathetic
the time is now....!!!.. people know were not going anywhere

or we can wait.... n wait n wait...

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we know sticks wont welcome a review thats independent..

we know it would find him guilty of being an idiot... well quite the dilemma he has

one hand he wants sooo dearly to be prez for our 150t birthday party

on the other he wouldnt want a review cos it would publicisise his stupidity...

what to do... what to do???

u make him openly fight an indie review

wannna know how dumb and predictable is....

i can make my plan public and i know he will do exactly what i know he will do....

ignore it and reject it...

The lure to him and the board of being around for the 150th is greater than what carlton supporters want

as this year is going to be another disappointment and as his involvement with the club has been flower!!.. good time for the spotlight!!!....it leaves him in a dilemma

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you need a presidential challenger willing to run through the media on an independent review platform

this board has to cracked - nothing will happen otherwise

ok ok im sorry... i know u lot want things to remain as they are....



just putting it out there...

the board and sticks can survive a review if they are any good....

and if theyre good we want them to stay on...!!!

This would have to grow and go across all boards and in the social media.... and then we can go to caro...etc

or we can wait....and wait... and wait...

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ahhhh we need no challenger its a review.. non offensive

ust seeing how sticks and co are performing

if theye shit and underperfoemers.. why would they wanna stay on???.... surely there is better somewhere???


its ust about creating dilemmas and change

change that seems not possible right now

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Is it asking too much for this complete failure of a board to step down? Melbourne has basically done it.

i would like the board to step down.... but an independent review wont walk into the review wanting that.. tho it might say theyre hopeless when its all done...!!!

i doubt sticks and co would want it...!!!...

there is no way they would welcome and indie review on what they have been doing over their terms

independent reviews see truth on results.......

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

is an indie review kryptonite to this footy club that hates transparency and accountablity???

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I have read through the entire thread and I don't think anyone got that - but whilst George Harris was a man for his time, in that he was able to drag our club out of its post World War II malaise, perfect to shake the club out of its 1960s conservatism, he's probably not the type of we need now.

We need something, I don't know if Fahour is the man but I know that Kernahan isn't.

Will an independent review be the catalyst for change, if it is then bring it on I say.

We need something and we need it fast, as GWS and Gold Coast are probably going to share about 8 premierships from 2016 onwards, so there are might slim pickings.

I'm also sick of our club making incremental improvements when I see Teams like Port Adelaide turn things around very quickly.

One thing I am definitely sick of is us disgracing ourselves against top 8 sides and being looked at as soft and being treated with disdain by the media and knobs like Matthew Lloyd and Luke Darcy.

It's time to bring some respect back to this club.

Apart from drugs - I say whatever it takes.

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Bloody good post Agro as usual............but if there was a modern day George Harris around i would say its EXACTLY what we need.No reviews or analyzing,just a bulldozer type who knows what it takes and pushes through and gets it done.The thought of an independant review shits me no end as it is so run of the mill ordinary.We need a strongman to come in and grab the bull by the horns no iffs or butts.It aint fair,but thats the way it is.

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Synbad, I'll start with this. I totally agree we need a review/purge of colonic irrigation proportions.

You can write a thesis on this and you can bash your head against a wall wanting this to happen.

It won't happen simply because a review is a 'Leading Teams' assessment/reflection exercise which identifies what's working well and what's not.

This is too 'new age' for President Keg-ahan. He thinks all issues get resolved over a sausage sizzle, a dozen cans and some irreverent humour.

The fact that he's staying on next year makes my blood boil. This bullshit that there's no one else may be the case, but it's only the case because he's engineered it over the last 5 years.

We should be voting with our wallets. Get a petition of Carlton members who will REFUSE to sign up for 2014 until an independent review is done. This petition should be given to the media so that they can chase Sticks like a dog with a bone over it. He needs the acid on him, 24/7. He has overseen a decade of misery.

This club is rooted!!!

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Could we sell the club to Frank Costa?

Wouldn't matter if he payed half the fair value it would still be 10 times more than the amount being paid by the pseudo owners we have now. All they pay is a part of the debt, but not so much that we can stand on our own feet.

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exactly what i asked

i want the people from thid club to demand one...... not just this ite ... all blues sites.....
and then hit the media and airwaves for it....
its the internet.... we can be heard..

were not without a voice
so many people have expressed to me how helpless they now feel.. how the club has left them behind ... but how the club has also been left behind

what i am asking is not for sticks to leave directly... its for sticks to get an individual apparaisal of where he and his co people are and where the club is at...

its a fair way of having a go at them.. and empowering the carlton faithful.

anybody against that???... an independend review of the footy club thrust upon this footy club??

and if you are say why...!!!

its as if youre all unsure we need it...!!!...or we should be asking for it!!!

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We can always hire Ziggy

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