Why aren't Graham and Menzel playing then? Have been in good form for a number of weeks - are attacking mids who offer a lot...more than quite a few of the current bunch. If MM is going to look long term then they need to be played. Instead of Curnow/Armfield/Carrazzo/Cachia following others.

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We were winning.

Dont tell me.. i never said we were close.
i always said were crazy
i always said ratts was crap
i always said sticks was a banana
i always said our recru iters were morons
i always said our list management was idiotic
i always said you cant win a flag using a bunch of rookie midifielders

the problem with all my i is ... that THEY are @#$%&! idiots!!!

i dont wanna be negative... i wanna see flags...

how the hell can we have a bunch of players kicking dew off in the reserves that you cant call upon cos they all play the same peripheral position???

it doesnt matter who of bootsma... white.. davies.. laidler... duigan... joseph .McIness....etc you bring in... they cant fix our midfield deficiencies...and our mids are getting old... and our mids STILL play in defence...

Cos the best half back flankers are always going to be guys that are capable of playing midfield... not drafted mids.

Walker can play midfield
Gibbs can
Scotland can
and Simmo can.

The hbfers not in the side cant help us....most arent good enough ....!!!

Its the drafting.. and the list management

Oh have i mentioned leadership???..... no leadership after all this years....???

What were we doing...???

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If we have no hope of making fin als.. they will play

but were trying to make the finals so its steady as she goes.. with the more mature bodies

limp to the end of the season and then make changes is the strategy

the club is [REDACTED]!!!... it doesnt want to be seen as a club in a transiitional stage where its in a rebuild.

results are everything

remember.. we have 5000 visy cardboard members....... they dont wanna see more drop offs...




Above is one of 5,000 Visy cardboard members we have among us.

One in ten looks like that...

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Hi Bill, MM singled out two of them... he must be racist then.

Mate, facts are they continually fail in big games against top opposition. Two nothins are nothin'... it's mathematics son.

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hi Bill.. yess you have a fixaation in blaming indigenous small forwards.
There is something definitely wrong wth you when you believe losses start and end with indigenous small forwards.

Please clear it up and use examples of when only indigenous small forwards drive their club to win or loss?

To begin a thread with "Flat Track Bullies".. and then to only singlee out the indigenous element of our club is either very stupid or just racist.....

over to you...

For me... i would call us a team of flat track bullies.. but i would concentrate more on the midfield as where we win or lose instead of the indigenous boys?

Maybe i have a far greater perception on the team than you do.

Small forwards are the cherries on a cake not the cake.No matter if indigenous or not indigenous.... they rely on the roll of the team for their role.

Ok bill?

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I agree the team are flat track bullies... but the three small forwards are the embodiment of this.

And the simple fact is they go missing every time against quality opposition....

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Bill.... small forwards dont star in games lost in ... they are peripheral players.

They work within the framework of whats going on around them... and usually make their living working off scraps.

Yes small forwards must be doing more...

Yes their work rate is down.. we know that... but thats not the nucleus of where a game is won or lost and you dont look at your small forwards to set the tone.
Thats from the leadership and EVERYBODY else follows in the slipstream, bill.....

Please understand the universal order of a football game...

Anyway... im sure you understand this now... and i wont have to explain it again....

The 2 small forward indigenous boys must lisft their work rate.
The 20 bigger Aussie white guys must too...

and so does the leadership group.. and everybody else...

I would have titled it 'flat track bullies' too...!!!... and ive said it in the past..BUT... id be saying that as a collective of the whole side ... i wouldnt single out 3 indigenous small forwards..

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Actually we have at least four indigenous players in our side that I'm aware of, but that is irrelevant.

It only takes one player to drop off against the quality sides and we are behind the eight ball. These three do it every time... they don't have the want to become midfielders and that then flows on to putting pressure on Judd and Murphy. BTW Murphy was and has been poor, but he does have some credits against quality opposition. Also missed tackles, lazy chases... I call them -1 players as they are out of the contest even though they are there. So we are at least -3 when we play the top sides.... then others try to cover, but the opposition always has the easy outlet. Jeez, even Danyle Pearce looked like a hard man and hard worker in comparison last night.

See you need to look at things inside out, which being our resident psychologist you would have down pat. No player can be peripheral or a passenger, that's 80's footy Bill. Have a look at the Top 4 and what they have in common.

Also good luck Sept 7 Bill, make sure you stay on message.

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Oh Bill.. so now you are sating that the 3 indigenous small forwards are not 3 but 4 are they bill????

Who is the other indigenous small forward ???...




So the indigenous small forwards are to blame for a soft non 2 way running style of Murphy and Judd?
They do not run 2 ways and never did.. because of the 3 small indigenous forwards bill??... youre claims are becoming more and more explosive , bill....



Bill... youre so funny.. Murph misses tackles and chases and he is captain.. but as captain he has crddits to miss tackles and chases from years gone by because he has ALWAYS missed tackles and no chases bill???

Bill? why cant you just admit its the whole side thing aand not just pick on the the indignous forwards?Is it beause you harbour soething nasty deep in your core bill???


Im calling you on it bill....

Again you use the indigenous player as an example... why Pearce?...
Freo have always been known to be a soft front running footy team bill... the "soft" tag fell on ALL players till Lyon got there...
Pearce plays commited football because ALL players are playing committed footy from top to bottom its what is expected.

Murphy and Judd dont .... when was the last time Judd sacrificed his body or hurt someone.(no chicken wing jokes). ??.. and he doesnt run both ways ...
Murphy doesnt like to chase.. doesnt naturally tackle and doesnt run both ways ...remember the attention he received for it early this year???
Taylor Hunt etc??...

Hes captain... why blame the 3 indigenous small forwards ????

Bill. the problem is perception... you think the blame of our soft performances fall only at the feet of 3 small forwards when in fact its a tone right throughout the footy club... and has been for years...

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Can we please leave the racial stuff out of this and concentrate purely on the ineptitude of our players?

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Let him rant... it's the only thing he's good at. No wonder I nicknamed him Bill Shorten... you don't read what's in front of you, it's all about your agenda.

Pearce has been known as a soft footballer and was why PA let him go. But look at him now, credit to him... he is an example of how you can turn yourself around.

Murphy on Sat night was an embarrassment, and in fact in another thread I suggested we trade him to get No.1 pick. Radical maybe but I don't rate him and you're right he is a one-way footballer 95% of the time. I've seen Judd chase and tackle (not often mind you) and game plans have been built around his teammates sacrificing for him... yes even MM is doing this with all the negative tags.

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Excellent point barass. Some food for thought for our coaching staff!
I despise Ross Lyon's game plan but credit to him. He has turned the biggest front running side into the biggest defensive unit within 6 months and no change of personnel.

What a pathetic excuse.
Collingwood have won more than we have.
Yet they've debuted probably 8-10 youngsters.
Not counting the kids given opportunities last year.

Good clubs have one eye on the future and one on the present.
Graham is missing out on valuable development opportunities IMO.

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yeah getting smashed in our midfield would develop him more

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Actually we're 3rd for contested possessions and 5th for clearances.
But then again, those with big mouths but zero research wouldnt know that, would they?

Its the uncontested ball thats killing us and that is one of Grahams strengths.

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This is true, but I think Mick summed this stat up quite well in the post-match

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bill.... all of Freos players used to be known as soft... not just the indigenous one that came from Port...
All of our players are soft and lack accountability not just the 3 indigenous small forwards....

You see Bill.... you are looking at the hole in the donut... not the whole of the donut...!!!

and when your 1 million dollar man who has been captain for 5 years doesnt do it .. noone does it...
When your next captain doesnt do it... noone does it again...!!!

Look if it was 3/4 time at the huddle in a close game.. and the players are 'geeing' each other up... and Lucas yels out ... "Boys we need to lift our tackle count and put ur bodies on the line and we will bring this one home..."
Would it matter???

Of course not...!!!
Its about respect and standards... we have none .. and t doesnt begin or end with the 3 indigenous small forwards.

Thats just pathetic!!!

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Its the lack of hard work.. spread both ways thats killing us....execution.. kicking and flow

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'Tis' to laugh, were you there arguing against extended contracts to players like Joseph, drafting of 'stop gap' older players and the way we traded away second round draft picks like they didn't matter?

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