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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:28 pm 
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He will be lucky to get less than 3 weeks, there will be a 30% loading.
Hard to justify what he did.


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:30 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
wow, overreaction or what???? Attempted to injure someone.........ooooh my




But Longegan got off

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:31 pm 
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Quite hilarious watching channel 9 footy show today with the flogs in damien barrett, matt lloyd and brownless saying he should get 3 weeks for that.

Apparently, we need to stamp this out of the game, because it has happened once and some kid out there might try and copy Chris Judd doing it. Its all about the kids. blah blah blah.

I say he should get a warning as this has never happened before in the game of football. At the most it should be one week. Ridiculous for any more time.

I find it hilarious that you can see Ron Artest in the NBA, strike James Harden with a full blown elbow to the head, knocks him to the floor and he only receives a 7 game suspension. 7 games is like 2 weeks in the NBA.
Here is the footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjCGlsoRMAo

I think it is amazing that people are even talking about this being a 2-3 game suspension compared to the NBA. If this was the NBA, at worst, Judd would of got a flagrant foul / technical foul or ejected out of the game, but would be free to play the next game.

NBA is based on keeping its players out there on the court (within reason), but the AFL likes to suspend its players for more than it is worth on some occasions.

When the superstars are out there, it brings the crowds in and viewers on tv.


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:33 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
Mark Fine saying Judd should get 8 weeks. Comparing it with Steven Baker/ Steve Johnson incident.



hmm, let me think....... i wonder how i can get people to call into my shit show tonight? i know!!! i know!!! i'll say juddy should get 8 for holding hands with someone and then watch the bogans ring in. genius finey. genius!


8 weeks ??? fmd, did adams go into a coma?


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:33 pm 
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kezza wrote:
He will be lucky to get less than 3 weeks, there will be a 30% loading.
Hard to justify what he did.


I'm waiting for it.
If that happens, it will be interesting to see what the club does or how it reacts.
My initial thoughts are we put our a team away for 2012....get operations done, etc and setup for preseason.
Make it known where not happy and put our VFL side on the park for the rest of the year, literally.
I'm over this year!


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:35 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
kezza wrote:
He will be lucky to get less than 3 weeks, there will be a 30% loading.
Hard to justify what he did.


I'm waiting for it.
If that happens, it will be interesting to see what the club does or how it reacts.
My initial thoughts are we put our a team away for 2012....get operations done, etc and setup for preseason.
Make it known where not happy and put our VFL side on the park for the rest of the year, literally.
I'm over this year!

they should appeal for juddy again if he asks them to... :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
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doofdoof wrote:
8 weeks ??? fmd, did adams go into a coma?


Nah that was Simpson and then Joseph!!!! Which no-one is talking about, mind you!


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
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Surrey at least Joseph got a free kick.............................hang on.

Why wasn't the same vitriol directed at Josh "the squib" Hunt when he stepped on Edward's foot?

Surely we need to stamp that sort of thing out of the game...don't want the kiddies doing it.

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:41 pm 
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Unprecedented. He didn't cause injury.

Not worth any more than a warning.

Looked worse than it was...the opponent had shoulder injury and ongoing problems with that shoulder prior to the Judd accident.

Innocent till proven guilty of.....what?

He may cop something perhaps because of several incidents from the past which did not warrant suspensions: Pavlich elbow, Pressure point, eye fingering, and now the chicken.....scapegoat....maybe....shouldn't be.

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:56 pm 
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Ratts did say at the start of the season that he would rest Judd several times throughout the season so he is fit for the finals.
He will be well rested and fighting fit in September so he can enjoy his holidays.


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:05 pm 
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Sorry if the youtube link doesnt work but here goes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxmMRmEIEeg
(if not look it up)

Listen to how late the whistle comes in.. The umpire calls for a bounce just before the NM players push Judd. When Judd was holding his arm, the ball was officially in play... The defence of him trying to stop Adams from handballing it clear is valid... If he did that after the whistle was blown then maybe we would have an issue, until then, not a problem..

Unless they are looking at banning arm tackles or a 3rd person coming in and tackling then there is no case to answer..


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:08 pm 
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I wish he'd stop doing this sort of stuff though.
Whether he should be suspended or not it doesn't reflect well on the mans character.


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:33 pm 
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I agree Redskins. I have looked at the incident a few times now and what rule did he break. Maybe holding the man. Was there a free kick paid to Adams and if so what for.


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:46 pm 
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Judd grabs the arm as Adams goes down and then re-grabs it as he is down. Doesn't pull it up (much) and remains bent over as he's holding the arm. If he wanted to hurt him he would've pulled up and stood up. All happens in an instant and then Judd lets the arm drop down. Complete rubbish if he gets done for this . I hadn't seen it before now and thought it must have been shocking given what i'ld heard.
Bizarre....I was at the game... Like to see the video of AJ being cleaned up by Ziebel with the ump about 3 meters away looking straight at it...and lifting his arms for the play on call as its happening.... Now that was bizarre.

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:47 pm 
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I agree Redskins. I have looked at the incident a few times now and what rule did he break. Maybe holding the man. Was there a free kick paid to Adams and if so what for.


Troy Pannell was one of the officiating umpires, so anything could have been paid. Deliberate out of bounds perhaps.

Seriously though they wont take that into account. Taylor Walker was paid a free kick for holding the ball on Steven Morris, and then later found guilty of a spear tackle which netted him 3 weeks.

Unfortunately being charged with 'misconduct' means that can make up whatever they want regardless of whether or not an actual rule was broken in the process.

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:55 pm 
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Yeah, I here where your coming from blueboy74.


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:56 pm 
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I still can't believe the hype re this. What a crucifixion it's turned into.....

The media jump on the band wagon, and get so far up each others arseholes it makes me want to vomit.

Judd will get games, as the AFL know if they don't the fall out will be a media driven backlash.

What a joke....

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:14 pm 
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And it was only 7 days ago we turned the tv on and watched sharrod floggingham laughing with Maxwell about the hit on simmo and how he didn't mean to hurt him 'much'. Somehow this is suddenly a hangable offence because of the kids.

Puhlease ...

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
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He may cop something perhaps because of several incidents from the past which did not warrant suspensions: Pavlich elbow, Pressure point, eye fingering, and now the chicken.....scapegoat....maybe....shouldn't be.

Playing devil's advocate, Tony Liberatore got away with 3-4 questionable incidents once he became a hard-ass tagger (Paul Kelly, Steve Lawrence spring to mind) but there was never quite enough evidence to pin him down. The minute there was with the Knights incident, the AFL whipped him and whipped him good and proper. The same will happen to Judd. He's pushed the boundaries of questionable actions a number of times in recent history and has gotten away with it - it will come home to roost this week. In hinsight (and at the time I was a staunch supporter of Libba), what he did was unnecessary, and to be honest Judd's actions in recent years have been equally unnecessary. Putting his hands around a player's eyes and temples after a stop-play, chichen-winging a player helpless at the bottom of a pack. I find it really bizarre that no other player has such a history of doing such questionable stuff as frequently as he's done (I know he wasn't found guilty in some of those cases). Now Libba was a scrubber, a battler who resorted pushing the envelope just to survive in the game. Judd is one of the greatest players I've seen, which makes it even more bizarre.

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