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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:09 pm 
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Harry Vallence

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camelboy wrote:
Cons: The apparent lack of fight and heart.

Even at half time I thought to myself, we're good enough to come back and win this. Then the third quarter came and we gave nothing. We had the talent, but we didn't have the intent.


I reckon the start of the third was when we actually did have a small crack, but we kicked 1.5

Even through it was a pathetic effort overall, if Lucas and Waite had have kicked straight in the first quarter, we would have won.


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:47 pm 
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Rod Ashman
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camelboy wrote:
redback wrote:
If it is get some of the Carlton arrogance back starting with the coach's.


Erm, we had bags and bags of arrogance last week, as I see it. That's probably why we lost.

We need humility and respect. With that we won't lose sight of the hard work required to win the games that should we should win. We won't underestimate our opponents. We won't expose ourselves to be so easily dismantled by our opponents. And we won't ever forget the lows from which we have come.


Camelboy I agree but within the context of this arrogant attitute I include taking responsibility and leadership.
An arrogant leader is one that has earnt from his leadership qualities including taking responsibility in making decisions under pressure and not delegating or been stripped of that right in the important part of the week.
Ratten is the head coach if he cannot make match day decisions I don't see the point of acting arrogant if you haven't got the authority to deliver.
If this is the case as mentioned before I don't see an authoritive figure just a mantlepiece and a weak link.
If the coach of a sporting team cannot have the final say in any final decision within the team structure or strategy then they will look weak and there will be no respect coming from within or outside that organization.
Strong clubs are built around strong leaders.
If a leader is reflected as a soft target with no power or authority then so is his team, and will be treated as such.
If this is truly the case then I am very disappointed because I thought Ratte was coming along nicely.


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:24 am 
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Serge Silvagni
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Synbad wrote:


having said all that my schedule is not important to anyone but me.

There is a complete attachment to virtual worlds in todays society.
I dont come running in here to see what someone in particular is doing.. its an OVERALL experience for me.
There are a few people here that i read their contributions with interest... if they dont for whatever reason ... i dont put them under the spotlight!!!

It kind of reeks of having a cyber girlfriend and she missed a cyber meeting.
Again club .. when and where i choose to "turn up to" isnt really anyones business but my own...

Some of you guys must get your heads around that.

I did read it a couple of times a week.. again... beating those clubs on those particular days doesnt really tell me were flying.
However!!!... i did expect to beat Essendon* on saturday.

Not having achieved that.. means we lost a lot of credits in every part of the football world.
Ourselves.. opposition... media.. members.. football followers....

You cannot afford to drop games you should win....

I wouldnt have come in and commented this week if we blew them out of the water.. it was what was expected!!!

There are games that will test us.. and hopefully we can overcome those... and games that are almost a walk over.

Im not gunna come in here and slap everyone on the back in games we should be winning.

Roll a Hawthorn and im happier than most!!!.. roll Richmond...??.. well i am not gunna have a wet dream!!!.. im sorry..

Even Collingwood.. we were favourites...theyre on their knees as far as a flag chance is concerned.

some of you need some perspective...

Read Platos Cave

Actually the whole club should read it...

Interesting to see how we can bounce back this week!!!


But perhaps not interesting enough for you to show your head for a couple of weeks I suspect.....


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:03 am 
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Oh luca im here
now run along

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:47 pm 
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Mike Fitzpatrick
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I find it very odd that people on these forums believe being a fan of something has its own responsibilities. Is this really TalkingTwilightZone or something? :?

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:55 pm 
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Yes. I mean no, but it is raining at the moment and Gold Coast are putting up a good fight

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