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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:05 pm 
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Sticks sounds absolutely distraught

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:05 pm 
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Why play Davies Ratts???????????? You better have a good answer for this
He played in last year's finals too.
Ratten is too obsessed with him


1 tiggy free paid against - 1 stupid free given away - The rest of his game was good - he hit contests hard and straight and whilst wasn't the best should come back a better player. I don't think that we had a better defensive option that was available

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:05 pm 
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That was an awesome game.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:06 pm 
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seeing the footage of the rooms after the game...the boys are absolutely gutted.........they aren't going to take this lying down.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:06 pm 
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Love the passion of all our supporters as they vent on this site and this is what makes this such a great place. Bring on 2012. With a bit of luck I'll be back to able to catch a few games next year in July. You be back in Melbourne then Blue Sombrero?

Thanks to all those who make TC possible and a great link to home for those OS.

Very proud of the boys, just not good enough when it mattered.

Go Blues!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:07 pm 
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Gotta love the way the boys fought it out ... but flower ... I'm sick to death of near misses during the past few years.

Gibbs left a gaping hole, Kruezer wouldn't have exposed Santy to the centre bounces and Waite - well, doesn't need to be said really.

Look fwd to Tuohy, Lucas and Hammer getting a good run at it next year.

Jordy and Kruezer with a preseason. Warnock to establish himself as a premier ruckman. Jamo injury free.

Lots to look fwd to.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:07 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
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The laspe in the second 1/4 cost us. I hate losing but we can take that and use it for a launch pad for next year

The Premiership window is now open.

That lapse happened because the gust dropped out of the team. All that hard work for no result. Murphy gets those two and we're six in front two minutes into the second. As it was, they went down the other end, got a couple of quick ones and the rest is history. Shout me down all you like but it's true. Good players kick those. There's no excuse.


If you want to point fingers - the decision not to play Hampson was the difference - if he was fit.

Did anyone else notice the commentators didn't mention our 3 top 10 players being out once - not once.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:08 pm 
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darknavy wrote:
KoRn wrote:
Why play Davies Ratts???????????? You better have a good answer for this
He played in last year's finals too.
Ratten is too obsessed with him


1 tiggy free paid against - 1 stupid free given away - The rest of his game was good - he hit contests hard and straight and whilst wasn't the best should come back a better player. I don't think that we had a better defensive option that was available


He had 0 possession for BOTH 2nd and 3rd quarter.
That stupid free kick (the double goal) cost us the game.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:08 pm 
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You gotta finish top 4 if you want half a chance in september.


Yep, losses to Dogs and Eagles hurt more now than they did then.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:10 pm 
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So is Judd injured or has he been worked out that badly by the oppo coaches that we should trade him for, I dunno, a Selwood brother?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:10 pm 
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darknavy wrote:
KoRn wrote:
Why play Davies Ratts???????????? You better have a good answer for this
He played in last year's finals too.
Ratten is too obsessed with him


1 tiggy free paid against - 1 stupid free given away - The rest of his game was good - he hit contests hard and straight and whilst wasn't the best should come back a better player. I don't think that we had a better defensive option that was available

then your out of your mind!! jarrad oakley nicholls woulda been a better option

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:11 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Besides the fact you think you know better than the MC jim, I have no idea why you think that.

Not surprised you're going to bring it up now though and I guess we'll have a whole summer of you banging on about it.


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I thought Davies and Ellard did their jobs ok.
The problem was our first choice KPP forward was out, (Waite).
Our second choice KPP forward was out, (Kreuzer).
And then our third choice went down. (Hope you're ok T-Bird).

That's just bad luck.


We were carved for a few goals from bad defensive positioning when the turn over occurred. All of our players with pace stream forward, and we're left with the flat-footed types to chase down the kick over the top?

There's two solutions to that:

1) Have a spare athletic small or tall back there with the rest of them (Hampson, as an example)

2) Have runners who can double up and sprint back the other way (Lucas, as an example)

Warnock needed to be spelled by someone who could compete, because Cox & NicNat just waltzed it out when Setanta went up, and our forward line disintegrated after half-time when he had to do that. Hampson would have helped.

Furthermore, Setanta doing this tired him out and robbed him off the explosive power in his legs for periods. For this and other reasons he lost his cool and costs us frees & 50s. Warnock grew tired for periods and conceded frees in ruck contests because of this; provided some meeker efforts in ruck contests because of this.

I'm not saying these would have all evaporated but a significant percentage would have been shaved off.

Ellard & Davies didn't play badly but I honestly feel the selections I've mooted would have given us an extra 10 to 15% output on top of each player's efforts, and potentially another 5-10% for our midfield unit through better results in the ruck. Tuohy's form vs. the Saints & in the VFL was of a level that you knew he could come into the midfield and contribute and contribute well. He didn't make a single mistake tonight and was bloody brilliant. Imagine if we'd given him four quarters to shine.

Finally, I know people might say otherwise, but it's obvious to me that we have no edge in our fitness work, and despite how far we were coming back from on that front, we have not acquired the skills and expertise to excel in this area, and we certainly do not play a game style to take advantage of it.

Next year I want to see the game plan tweaked to accommodate:

- Looking off both flanks when at kick outs or looking off the corridor in a time-off situation on either wing; we do not broaden our focus in these situations
- Positioning well defensively and offensively for pack spills, which we are extremely poor at and it costs us goals at either end every game; some are getting better at this but some are like headless chooks
- Positioning better and offering more variety at clearances, particularly taps that exceed a metre in lateral distance
- A better understanding of when to take proper possession of the ball and when to knock the ball on; this is still a problem

I am so tired of sitting down to a game and watching these mistakes occur over and over again with clearly zero work done on improving these, but seemingly coaches critiquing players for not meeting the original blueprint better. I am so tired of seeing a limited vision and imagination of what can be accomplished with our playing list at the selection table.

And if anyone says Hampson had ankle injury mid week: he trained yesterday. He was right if we wanted to play him. We need two players in the team who can genuinely ruck at AFL level AT ALL TIMES.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:13 pm 
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IMO The Great Man has been carrying injuries for some weeks.

I'm gutted but it was a massive effort by the boys.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:13 pm 
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smithy wrote:
darknavy wrote:
KoRn wrote:
Why play Davies Ratts???????????? You better have a good answer for this
He played in last year's finals too.
Ratten is too obsessed with him


1 tiggy free paid against - 1 stupid free given away - The rest of his game was good - he hit contests hard and straight and whilst wasn't the best should come back a better player. I don't think that we had a better defensive option that was available

then your out of your mind!! jarrad oakley nicholls woulda been a better option



There goes your credibility right there


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:13 pm 
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King Kenny wrote:
I can't complain, we were going to get smashed early in the third, but it takes a team to stand up and fight back. Great respect earnt in defeat.


It's a funny one isn't it. Earn't more respect tonight than from all the 10 goal floggings of Melbourne etc., but at the end of the day, we still haven't beaten a top four side and that's 3 from 4 finals we've lost by a kick.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:13 pm 
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Great game, Awesome effort!

Bring on 2012

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:15 pm 
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Judds last month has been very ordinary, Oscar must be keeping him busy.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:15 pm 
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Could've seriously used hammer in the forward line.
Put it all on the line tonight great guts laidler - great find from geelong, glad they wanted to keep milburn for another year :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:17 pm 
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Got reemed by the umps, no Waite Cruz or Gibbs & 8 frees against!

Our boys showed ticker, u need to hurt before u win the big one, this has hurt all of us, but we're proud passionate Carltonians & we'll be back bigger & better in 2012!

Great year but just one kick short again!

I am Carlton!!

Still for the life of me can't understand why Juddy wasn't played in the goal square? I reckon if that was Juddy instead of Tex he might have got the free!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:17 pm 
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Who was on Kerr tonight, seriously?

I watched the game and still have nfi

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