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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:48 pm 
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I'd play Eddie in the midfield for the entire game. He is useless when being played opposite dalai obrien.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:48 pm 
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22 on 22...let's rumble maggots!

I've got a feeling, this will be a defining moment in the careers of many at OO!

We will rain on the maggot parade & our boys will Salute!

We are Carlton **** the rest!



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:50 pm 
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If you look at the first 40 minutes we had an open forward 50 we managed to milk two 50 metre penalties because the dogs were trying to slow us down running back
When waite went down the dogs also pushed numbers back
We manned up the lose man thus clogging up our forward 50
You heard both murph and ratts saying they ran the ball out to easily thats because when we manned up the lose player we created space forward of the ball for the dogs run inyo and they ran out in waves

What needs to happen is if they put one back you pull another one out and put numbers around the ball then you run forward in waves into an open 50

Our losses coincide with congested forward lines and then we either bomb it to the square or try get to cute with the passes Teams seem to be able to do it to us at Etihad


But that is how the press works. You need players in the forward line to press. You bomb in long get the ball to ground (if you dont fluke a mark) and then lock it in. The unfortunate thing was they were marking alot of our entries.
I am sure it is more technical than that. If you listen to Darren Harris at the bullants you get a fair idea what they are trying to do.
We just were not locking it in therefore getting hit on the counter far too easy.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:52 pm 
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Walker doesn't split packs open like Dawes does or take as many contested marks.

Walker has a role to play but he would be able to do it better with Henderson and Waite in the forward line along with Eddie and Garlett.

How would Walker go against Ben Reid or Tarrant...he needs to be able to play on a lesser defender. Maybe that's why he has struggled against top 8 teams...their settled defences haven't had to match up often on Henderson-Waite-Walker.

F: Betts Waite Walker
HF: Murphy (any rotating mid) Henderson Garlett

Deep into September we need two genuine tall forwards to be successful....Waite and Henderson. Kreuzer/Warnock/Hampson are pinch hitters forward for the time being.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:56 pm 
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The problem is though with the sub rule one of them have to play forward or you lose a midfield rotation. When you have two tall forwards and a resting ruckman you're going to struggle to press.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:01 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
The problem is though with the sub rule one of them have to play forward or you lose a midfield rotation. When you have two tall forwards and a resting ruckman you're going to struggle to press.


I think you can still rotate one through the bench. The ruck TOG has increased this year given the new rule but it's still an option.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:10 pm 
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Move Hendo forward, Aussie at CHB.

Whoever is on Ben Reid, take him deep back into the goalsquare.

I would play Gibbs on Heath Shaw and force Shaw to be accountable, if he's not, Gibbs will hurt you.

Robinson to tag Pendlebury, give him some physical working over. I don't care if he gives away a free or 2, as long as he cannons into Pendlebury's back and works him over physically.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:35 pm 
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Against any other team in the comp, this week would have been a rebounding one for us and a Certain win....

The Question is, Can we Rebound against the Pies?

They are due for a loss but the problem is even when they are playing so bad, they are still winning games because of their depth, so for us to be competitive and close, We need to play pressure like footy all game, something which we are capable of doing and have done so before!!!! BUT Can we really do it against the Pies????? we will find out...


When we met them early in the Season, We gave up after the first Quarter. We were happy to lose by 5 Goals and keep it at 5 Goals. We didnt offer any fight back at all.....Will be interesting to see how we respond this week!!!

Whatever happens, i do expect them to put a solid performance and real dog Fight.... nothing like last Week !!!


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:56 am 
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Figer wrote:
22 on 22...let's rumble maggots!

I've got a feeling, this will be a defining moment in the careers of many at OO!

We will rain on the maggot parade & our boys will Salute!

We are Carlton ****k the rest!

You may want to re analyze that feeling of yours....but I agree it will be a defining moment....

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:54 am 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Where does Thornton fit into that?


With Waite, Carrots, Jamo injured I would go with:

B: Touhy Henderson Laidler
HB: Yarran Bower Duigan
C: Gibbs Curnow Scotland
HF: Garlett Thornton Robinson
F: Betts Kruezer Walker
Foll: Warnock Judd Murphy
Int: Ellard Simpson Russell (ROK)

MCG gives us more space and room to run. Kicking to position will be the key with our run. The stronger bodies of Curnow, Touhy, Duigan, Ellard will be vital. Love to get ROK in there as well. Laidler and Walker can play tall if needed.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:41 am 
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Juanita Jones wrote:
I'd play Eddie in the midfield for the entire game. He is useless when being played opposite dalai obrien.



Hmmm. Didn't stats prove him to be a centre clearance king last year?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:43 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Where does Thornton fit into that?


With Waite, Carrots, Jamo injured I would go with:

B: Touhy Henderson Laidler
HB: Yarran Bower Duigan
C: Gibbs Curnow Scotland
HF: Garlett Thornton Robinson
F: Betts Kruezer Walker
Foll: Warnock Judd Murphy
Int: Ellard Simpson Russell (ROK)

MCG gives us more space and room to run. Kicking to position will be the key with our run. The stronger bodies of Curnow, Touhy, Duigan, Ellard will be vital. Love to get ROK in there as well. Laidler and Walker can play tall if needed.


Not a bad line up TBB. Setanta maybe instead of ROK. The key will be intensity from the first bounce, and then being able to maintain it for most of the match. At least they won't by trying to rape Murph and Judd all day, as they'll be backing themselves to flog us.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:10 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Where does Thornton fit into that?


With Waite, Carrots, Jamo injured I would go with:

B: Touhy Henderson Laidler
HB: Yarran Bower Duigan
C: Gibbs Curnow Scotland
HF: Garlett Thornton Robinson
F: Betts Kruezer Walker
Foll: Warnock Judd Murphy
Int: Ellard Simpson Russell (ROK)

MCG gives us more space and room to run. Kicking to position will be the key with our run. The stronger bodies of Curnow, Touhy, Duigan, Ellard will be vital. Love to get ROK in there as well. Laidler and Walker can play tall if needed.


Good team, I think Brock should still be in calculations, depending on the fitness of Curnow, & how tired Ellard is.

I think Ratts mentioned Setanta won't be fit, so forget that.


Also Austin must be a chance


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:20 am 
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I'm thinking maybe just going in with a small forward line................. resiting the temptation to put Thornton or Bower there and just using Betts, Garlett and Walker.

Go long at all costs and let them weave there magic. The best thing is with these guys is that once it's in the forward 50, the pressure they create usually ends up keeping the ball in our 50.

Tell the mids (Murphy, Judd, Robbo) to take their chances on the run. It seems like Judd is only ever efficient at goal kicking when on the run anyway.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:30 am 
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ryan2000 wrote:
I'm thinking maybe just going in with a small forward line................. resiting the temptation to put Thornton or Bower there and just using Betts, Garlett and Walker.

Go long at all costs and let them weave there magic. The best thing is with these guys is that once it's in the forward 50, the pressure they create usually ends up keeping the ball in our 50.

Tell the mids (Murphy, Judd, Robbo) to take their chances on the run. It seems like Judd is only ever efficient at goal kicking when on the run anyway.


Collingwood's backs would love this gameplan. They would slaughter us.

I think Austin has to come in.
We risk Bower on Cloke and start Hendo forward.
Russell to tag O'Brien or Maxwell.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:38 am 
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I'd keep Henderson back in defence - with Jamo missing he is our only defender capable of keeping Cloke quiet.
A small open forward line with Kreuzer/Warnock spending a bit of time up forward is our only option IMO.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:45 am 
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Effes wrote:
Walker doesn't split packs open like Dawes does or take as many contested marks.

Walker has a role to play but he would be able to do it better with Henderson and Waite in the forward line along with Eddie and Garlett.

How would Walker go against Ben Reid or Tarrant...he needs to be able to play on a lesser defender. Maybe that's why he has struggled against top 8 teams...their settled defences haven't had to match up often on Henderson-Waite-Walker.

F: Betts Waite Walker
HF: Murphy (any rotating mid) Henderson Garlett

Deep into September we need two genuine tall forwards to be successful....Waite and Henderson. Kreuzer/Warnock/Hampson are pinch hitters forward for the time being.


I disagree with your thoughts on Walker. Splits pack with his leap. Takes contested marks. He is the second tall for me. The fact that he can do all Dawes stuff and still go onball at times is a huge advantage to the way we are designed to play.

Your linup looks good but it doesnt take into account the resting ruck (L.Brown type).


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:50 am 
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Humpers wrote:
I'd keep Henderson back in defence - with Jamo missing he is our only defender capable of keeping Cloke quiet.
A small open forward line with Kreuzer/Warnock spending a bit of time up forward is our only option IMO.



Having Kreuzer and Warnock play up forward is not an option. Neither is a forward. Kreuzer plays best in the ruck where he can follow play and present up forward. Reads the play well and runs all day. As a resting forward he is easily outbodied. On the other hand Warnock offers us nothing. No defensive pressure, can't mark and can't spoil. Nothing to lose in trying Watson up forward alongside Hendo. Bower and Laidler with the support of Thornton can defend against opposition talls


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:09 pm 
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..i'd go with..

FB: Army Bower Duigan
HB: Laidler Hendo Russell
CW: Yarran Judd Simpson
HF: Gibbs Krooz Robbo
FF: Betts Thornton Garlett
RR: Knockers Murphy Ellard

Int: Hoops Walker Scotland Touhy[sub]

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:19 pm 
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Bluey44 wrote:
Good team, I think Brock should still be in calculations, depending on the fitness of Curnow, & how tired Ellard is.



I think Brock is out for a few weeks with an ankle injury?

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