5 pages about a crap article. Caro will be pleased.

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She is seriously demented.

I wish I could tell her so face to face.

Her article is full of cr#$, no two ways about it. She lost me when she said the Carlton issues are worse than the sexual assaults and the drugs because they were individual isolated incidents.

Let me get this straight:

ST KILDA = Is this not at least the second time, that sexual allegations were made at St Kilda. The second time it was alleged there were two teammates with a woman in an apartment and the other teammate was found in her bed instead of the one she came in with.

GEELONG = Incidents with Johnson and now allegedly Stokes. I think over the summer issues overseas ?

Essendon* = Drugs with Lovett Murray, drink drivng with Lovett Murray and Hurleys bashing incident. Lovett bashing his girl.

BUT CARLTONS STUPID PARTY DRINK INCIDENTS ARE THE WORST OF THE LOT

I cannot believe some of you are even saying that she has some credence to what she is saying.

Dont get me started on the basket case Richmond and the fact she never writes about them. She has a severe case of Carlton envy.......

Did the old hag happen to mention the Richmond player on assault charges? Taylor?....i think not!

If Maxwell can captain the Pies......well Carrots is over qualified!

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Dredging up yesterdays news like that is a pretty pathetic excuse for an article from a tired old Carlton hater.

Its also a pretty lazy way to get a cheap shot in.

It would have been far more relevant to write more about the things that the club is doing to address the issues - but of course, that might involve a bit of research and investigation -

So an easier option might be to look at the new training facilities and howe they compare with the best in the AFL. Not so much work with that option.

But the fact is that neither of these is anywhere near as pleasurable as banging away at the keyboard to knock together something that satisfies the inner needs for getting yet another thinly disguised anti Carlton tirade into the paper.

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I just think Caro's using any inside knowledge she has to talk in code on this one.

Hey Caro,

I am going to enjoy watching even Melbourne thrash Richmond this year and the Tiges finishing bottom.

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Hi Bondi,
I guess I was just as shocked to read your post to me.
The guy was paralleticly(had to look that up) drunk when he got off the boat...and he was hand cuffed in a drinking game.
If you don't think that happened that's fine.
if you don't think our club has a culture problem that needs addressing that's fine too.
Maybe it is all sunshine and rainbows..maybe we got rid of Fev for nothing.
I happened to think Caro wrote some stuff that is pertinent.
This is a forum where we can express our views.
Please don't tell me how or what to think..I would hope you can respect my rights if not my opinions..as I do yours.
I also don't like when people have a personal dig at Caro and call her names based on how they perceive her physical appearance.
That to me is ugly.
I don't think the boat cruise reports were fabricated or a result of chinese whispers.
They were probably a lot worse than was reported if anything.
To what extent things happened..ie even if handcuffing was brief..and just a joke...I still feel the way I do about it.
nuff said.
cheers Bondi..and yes...it will be good when the season starts.
Even better when the club unifies in a positive and professional culture..one we can all be proud of.

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Fair point, but I'd argue that many clubs have issues that don't make the media, including a certain ugly-coloured club with *ahem* culture issues.

Swann has been fairly forthright on this and the club did sack Fev and drop the offenders late last year. I am comfortable that they are heading in the right direction. Too many in football (particularly in the media) focus almost exclusively on the negatives. The Wayne Carey incident fostered the modern fascination with club scandals. I bet that the Herald Scums sales doubled during the month that the story broke. That brings us to modern-day footy reporting. That and the internet....

Scandals have always been going on - it's only now become sexy to write about it.

Just had another read of the article, and dead-set, she is one very ugly, agenda-driven, jealous piece of work. The very fact that she writes this way about Chris Judd says that she's still getting over Richmond missing out. Also, this news is more than two months old...the NAB Cup has started, our new facilities have been opened, we have signed on an iconic brand for sponsorship, and in terms of the wider AFL community...many other incidents have taken place in the last week or two.

Caroline does not have any new material to write about- plain and simple. She is as two-faced as you can get, which was made evident when Wayne Carey was on Footy Classified and when he left the show- many of the things she said about him after his departure could have been said directly to his face when he was a panellist. But in true Caroline Wilson fashion, she 'runs with the hares and hunts with the hounds'.

Instead of canning Carlton, she might want to check Richmond's own backyard first. This is a club that has played finals TWICE since 1982, won several wooden spoons since, and are entering 30 years since their last premiership. The club is on its third coach in six years, finished 15th in 2009 and are tipped by many to finish last in 2010; yes even below Melbourne, have lost several of their best senior players, and one of their new recruits has been in the news for all the wrong reasons.

Our 17th flag will be all the more sweeter when we can stick it up Caroline Wilson.

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"GIBBS."

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STURDYISM!!

This. You've all played right into her hands.

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#GUILTY

The untrue perception that all of this creates is that Carlton is a hard drinking football club.

The fact is that drinks are enjoyed by the players after a long period of abstinance - and unfortunately some let go a bit too much.

This point has been rarely mentioned - presumably so as not to spoil the newsworthiness of 'exposing' a bunch of serial alcholol abusers in a football club and creating a far bigger problem in order to sell newspapers - than is actually there.

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Mole.

End of thread....

Lock it down boys !

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We have all debated this issue for months now and while posters on both sides make great points why bother rehashing it? Lets stop turning on each other as we all have strong opinions and are very unlikely to change our minds on this.

As many people have said the point of this topic has to be why is Carro printing this story so long after the incident when it has been dealt with, not to mention it has been debated by every other journalist in the country. Perhaps she has been on holidays and didnt get a chance to air her opinions until now but that is her fault and she has missed her chance. Pure and simple it is no longer a topical news story.

Perhaps she should focus her attention on why Richmond chose to draft a kid from the NT who was on parole when several other clubs were warned not to draft him by his coach. And i know this as a fact. I wont hold my breath to see that article next Sunday....

Fair enough, I wasn't trying to tell you what to think, but moreso to to think about those reports you have heard or read.
You make a strong point on your feelings and analysis of your feelings.

The only point I was trying to make was based on this "that handcuffing a young man and forcing him to drink is the worst kind of peer pressure,and is a form of abuse and assault..even if not sexual or directly violent.To me it is an incredibly violent act..especially mentally..but it is physical abuse also...because the kid would have been hard put to say NO for so many reasons.....and...that incident definately sickened me..and still does."

The point being:

Was he handcuffed?
Was he forced to drink?
Was it assault? Abuse?

I keep hearing this, then I read Casboult's response the day after the car crash and he didn't say any of the above took place.
I have heard about handcuffs, but no one has claimed that to be true.
I'm sorry but words like assault and abuse are very strong words, and if that's how you feel because he was handcuffed? Forced to Drink? then that's fine, but was he?
That's my point.

I empathise with your feelings and am glad you have great human qualities, but I'm not sure if the facts are yours or based on allegations made by the papers.

I want the truth, and frankly, I don't think anyone but the people whp attended the Cruise really know the truth. On this point I'm just saying don't bash yourself or the Blues based on hearsay from non friendly reporters.

You are entitled to your opinion. No doubt about that. But when someone has something bad to say about my club and it's unproven, then I should also stand up and defend my club.

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The article says more about Caro than it does Judd.
As a journo deep down she knows the stories timeliness is well and truly gone.
She's had to resort to taking shots at an issue that is old news in the context of the currency of issues relating to financial woes; drugs cases, a raft of assaults and whatever else is going on behind the scenes.
Trouble is since she's become a tv 'star' she's dumbed down the level of reporting. She no longer has the access she once enjoyed. The clubs have changed, many of the insiders have changed and she's struggling to keep up with legitimate issues - the ability to break stories.

She's sadly yesterdays news in the journalism world.

oh well.

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

You would think, with her being a big hot shot at The Age and on Footy Confidential, that she could fix that ugly mug of hers.

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"GIBBS."

I haven't been on the TC main board for a while. When I stumbled across this article this morning, I thought there might be a page or 2 on the issue .

What a @#$%&! wit Carro is. She has just lost all remaining credibilty in one foul swoop.

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Caro lets rip?
Spare me the thought.

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