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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:33 am 
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we were smashed in the clearances
Kreuzer is weary and needs a change of scenery. And I dont reckon he is a tap ruckman
And we need an inside mid to do more grunt work
Bentick can do a job
yarran was ok yesterday but I think for team balance you cant have Betts, Yarran and Gartlett in the one side.Only Betts has the tank to go into the middle.

To me the problems started in the middleand at the clearances.
All our mids arnt good at defensive pressure when the ball is in the open but when a team dominates the clearances like the Crows did yesterday you are going to get smashed.

And Kreuzer would be more than handy in attack.



We get smashed by the run more than anything else.
Teams fan out against us and run.
We have too many static footballers.
On the end of a chain of handballs is the wrong man..
Defensively we have no idea.. and no man illustrates that more than C Johnson...

Thats essentially where we lose the game..

You bring more talls in... we will be slaughtered even more around the ground....as the game is played around the ground...not just in one spot or another... whether it be ruck or CHB....
We need running machines in this years draft.... Lewis Jetta....players that can run ..both ways...carry ... and use the football effectively...

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:34 am 
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from my point of view, adelaides zoning really killed us. first qr was positive, attack, attack, etc. however couldnt keep it up, and kept missing targets. im not sure why ratts, didnt go 1on1 when the margin grew. it really hurt us when the ball went the other way, loose adelaide players in the middle nearly every time. however, this could be strategic more than anything else. i dont know, i was in the shits last night...

i just hope ratts has a big of game plans next week, cmon ratts you can do it!



Craig is a very good coach... we were doing well at 1/4 time so he employed extra players in defence..... we kept trying to do what we started off doing without changing the structure...

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:05 am 
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We played the equal best team in the AFL last night at a venue that suits them perfectly. I'll be surprised if they don't play off. Soft Dees game last week lulled us into a false sense of security, it was poor preparation for this week. The "suspensions" and all of its distractions didn't help either. Time to move on.

They are so fit and strong - a lesson for the off season, hope it's noted by Cordy and Co. This is where we have to get to.

OK, Lions @ Gabba not ideal, but let's get a grip here. We have won past 3 against them, including twice @ Gabba, the last one an "8 point" game (for those with short memories). We should be grateful that this is the team and venue for an "away" final. Anyway, what's wrong with sending the Bombers off for a Crows slaughter @ AAMI?

The real Blues a huge chance, can't wait.

Changes:

Ins - Betts, Garlett, Ando (no more Aussie this year, apparently), Grigg/Ellard/Bentick (we'll see after Ants today)
Outs - Yarran, Johnson, Wiggins, Browne

4 changes more than enough going into a final.

Juddy a freak @ Gabba, I'm hoping it arrests his little form "slump".


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:58 am 
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Synbad wrote:
keogh wrote:
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we were smashed in the clearances
Kreuzer is weary and needs a change of scenery. And I dont reckon he is a tap ruckman
And we need an inside mid to do more grunt work
Bentick can do a job
yarran was ok yesterday but I think for team balance you cant have Betts, Yarran and Gartlett in the one side.Only Betts has the tank to go into the middle.

To me the problems started in the middleand at the clearances.
All our mids arnt good at defensive pressure when the ball is in the open but when a team dominates the clearances like the Crows did yesterday you are going to get smashed.

And Kreuzer would be more than handy in attack.



We get smashed by the run more than anything else.
Teams fan out against us and run.
We have too many static footballers.
On the end of a chain of handballs is the wrong man..
Defensively we have no idea.. and no man illustrates that more than C Johnson...

Thats essentially where we lose the game..

You bring more talls in... we will be slaughtered even more around the ground....as the game is played around the ground...not just in one spot or another... whether it be ruck or CHB....
We need running machines in this years draft.... Lewis Jetta....players that can run ..both ways...carry ... and use the football effectively...


I agree Synners but we dont win enough centre clearences which is where the problem starts


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:05 pm 
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Interesting to note that because we were soft at the contest compared to the other teams that won, we didn't suffer any injuries.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:39 pm 
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Don't understand the fascination, with Johnson........ i really don't think he's up to it.

We drafted him because of his kicking? I reckon he's had more turnovers than effective kicks in every game he's played in.
Not Up To It! GAWN.

Out's:- Johnson (not up to it), Browne (not up to it),
Ins:- Betts, Garlett.


I seriously think we can play Garlett, Betts and Yarran in the same team.

Clarke is the key for Brisbane. God he's good. Would have loved to have picked him up and he's All Australian in my opinion.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:43 pm 
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We are really missing a Hadley type player ... we got smashed in the packs.

I hate to say it ... but I am very confident that next weeks game will be our last for 2009.

Black always kills is ... our only hope is if his injury keeps him out ... if not .. play Joseph on him.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:46 pm 
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ryan2000 wrote:
Don't understand the fascination, with Johnson........ i really don't think he's up to it.

We drafted him because of his kicking? I reckon he's had more turnovers than effective kicks in every game he's played in.
Not Up To It! GAWN.



That's a bit unfair. Sure he isn't an A grader. But we seen early in the year he was able to contribute with good passes. When he does do mistakes or turnovers, these stand out because of the crucial position he is being played at. Needs the support of good players around him just like any defender.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:14 pm 
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Ok here's a pretty over-simplified analysis of our defensive issues:

Do not mark an opponent until screamed at: Murphy, Browne (joke's not lost on me :lol:)

Regularly fob off opponent to a defender when they push too far into the defensive 50: Simpson

Tendency to over-commit to 'secondary' defensive play: Yarran, Wiggins, Walker, Russell, Johnson

By the last category, I refer to committing to a chase down, a zone-off, bump or gang-tackle without a real consideration of what options your opponent(s) have, or a half-decent plan in mind as to how to affect the play. Essentially: game-sense.

Yarran is somewhat excused as a first year player who is recognised as a natural attacking type. Browne gets a down-graded spray but should know the basics.

Murphy: riot act. I want him walking away from Ratten too scared to wipe off the 100 mL of spittle he receives during the bake. Undid all his good work of the past 4 games in the last two rounds. Simpson should get a spray and correct his issue quickly, always has.

Russell made very few mistakes beyond the kick-outs, and his portion of the blame is rather minor when you think about that. But he did have a concentration lapse in marking his opponent that cost a goal.

Walker spent the first two and half quarters steadily getting better with the ball but wound up being almost useless without it. By the end of the game he was ok, but the pressure was completely off. Really needs to focus on not lairising around when marking an opponent; regularly ineffective when leaping in as the third, sometimes fourth, man.

Wiggins & Johnson fit into the opposite category as Walker: started well and slid away. Same zone-off/third man issues and Johnson in particularly smashed in as the second tackler on one occasion as the ball was coming loose, went to ground and watched as an Adelaide player scooped up the ball (play was at about the 50 arc) and slotted a goal.

Immensely inconsistent from guys that should be regarded as senior players. One minute they'll be standing goal-side of their opponent, then they'll still be goal-side but two metres off their men, soon to be scratching their heads as to why such a ploy backfired. Then on another occasion, they'll be well forward of their men or half-way into a hole, then slow down as they back track to a better position: why?!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:03 pm 
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Fri night: anyone going up?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:05 pm 
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We mightn't be going anywhere if the filth win by 63+ points

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:29 pm 
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How does that work? If Bulldogs drop from top 4, they will finish 5th and play Essendon* (with Adelaide finishing 4th). Will have no impact from what I can see to 6th vs 7th.

Josh - any inside word on the game being Friday night? The Age today speculated that it would be on Saturday afternoon... (Although I struggle to see them scheduling a day game in Brisbane).


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:35 pm 
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Lygon Legends wrote:
How does that work? If Bulldogs drop from top 4, they will finish 5th and play Essendon* (with Adelaide finishing 4th). Will have no impact from what I can see to 6th vs 7th.

Josh - any inside word on the game being Friday night? The Age today speculated that it would be on Saturday afternoon... (Although I struggle to see them scheduling a day game in Brisbane).


I'd expect it to be:

Fri (n) - Bris v Carl @ Gabba
Sat - Adel v Ess @ AAMI
Sat (n) - Geel v Coll @ MCG
Sun - St K v WB @ MCG

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Anyone have any idea on what the AFL policy is on players such as Chris Judd being held onto prior to a ruck contest. Every single ruck contest I looked at closely his opponent had his hands around his waist ensuring he couldn't run anywhere.

So the official word from AFL House is that that is now tolerated?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:44 pm 
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Lygon Legends wrote:
How does that work? If Bulldogs drop from top 4, they will finish 5th and play Essendon* (with Adelaide finishing 4th). Will have no impact from what I can see to 6th vs 7th.

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yeah, you're right.. :donk:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:45 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Lygon Legends wrote:
How does that work? If Bulldogs drop from top 4, they will finish 5th and play Essendon* (with Adelaide finishing 4th). Will have no impact from what I can see to 6th vs 7th.

Josh - any inside word on the game being Friday night? The Age today speculated that it would be on Saturday afternoon... (Although I struggle to see them scheduling a day game in Brisbane).


I'd expect it to be:

Fri (n) - Bris v Carl @ Gabba
Sat - Adel v Ess @ AAMI
Sat (n) - Geel v Coll @ MCG
Sun - St K v WB @ MCG



That's what I expected too. That is what Channel 10 speculated last night. Hoping The Age is off the mark.


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tap in 79 wrote:
Anyone have any idea on what the AFL policy is on players such as Chris Judd being held onto prior to a ruck contest. Every single ruck contest I looked at closely his opponent had his hands around his waist ensuring he couldn't run anywhere.

So the official word from AFL House is that that is now tolerated?


I just think there are too many rules...

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aboynamedsue wrote:
Lygon Legends wrote:
How does that work? If Bulldogs drop from top 4, they will finish 5th and play Essendon* (with Adelaide finishing 4th). Will have no impact from what I can see to 6th vs 7th.

Josh - any inside word on the game being Friday night? The Age today speculated that it would be on Saturday afternoon... (Although I struggle to see them scheduling a day game in Brisbane).


I'd expect it to be:

Fri (n) - Bris v Carl @ Gabba
Sat - Adel v Ess @ AAMI
Sat (n) - Geel v Coll @ MCG
Sun - St K v WB @ MCG


A Friday night game could work to our advantage with one less recovery day for Black, Merrett and Bradshaw.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:07 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
do they let South Australians out on Friday night


My partner read this comment and commented "Yeah and do you know what they go hunting for?" "What?" "Prawns"

She watched District-9. Pretty good movie, but it sums up South Australia pretty well. (No, I loved it there, in all sincerity, but it was funny nonetheless).


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:12 pm 
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budzy wrote:
We mightn't be going anywhere if the filth win by 63+ points


Why?

Nevermind, didnt refresh my screen.

Carry on

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